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Old 30th Apr 2020, 14:54
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Or maybe divert something called Air Passenger Duty?

Two hopes on that one of course... and the first one is Bob Hope.
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 15:33
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The whole point for going on holiday is to relax and to forget your problems. Donít blame the Greeks for taking action but it doesnít sound like it will be a relaxing holiday having to think about social distancing when you just know others wonít bother.
My post said that I thought it was great what the Greeks are doing to protect their people. My point was about taking valuable tests away from NHS or frontline worker for someone to use it for pleasure like a holiday ! That is just not right ! If the UK government can provide as many tests as needed then fine. But today they have already said they will not meet the 100,000 a day as we expected.
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Old 30th Apr 2020, 16:35
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I meant to say I didn’t blame the Greeks for taking strong action.
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Old 1st May 2020, 15:29
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In an interview with the Press Association news agency, (chief executive of Heathrow) John Holland-Kaye said: "It's just physically impossible to socially distance with any volume of passengers in an airport." He said a "better solution" is needed to make air travel safe. "The constraint is not about how many people you can fit on a plane, it will be how many people you can get through an airport safely."

In a separate interview, with the BBC, Mr Holland-Kaye said that until a coronavirus vaccine could be developed, airports would have to introduce measures to minimise infection once lockdowns started to ease. "This might include some kind of health screening as you come into the terminal so that if you have a high temperature, you may not be allowed to fly," he said. "As you go through the airport, you will probably be wearing a face mask, as people from Asia have been doing ever since Sars (virus) came out."
BBC - Social-distancing at airports is 'impossible', says Heathrow boss
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So ... end of holiday. You've reached your resort airport in a super-hot Mediterranean country. You trek across to the terminal with your luggage, dripping with perspiration. Then at the entrance to the terminal they say they want to take your temperature. And ... surprise, surprise ... your temperature reads higher than normal even though you're not ill.

What happens next? Refused boarding? Sent off to mandatory quarantine for two weeks? Will it happen again when you turn up for the replacement flight you've had to pay for? Will you ever get back home???

I'll be interested to see just how much of a blunt instrument this temperature initiative might be. Could be extremely disruptive in its own right whilst doing little in practical terms to detect cases of C-19.

Not sure I fancy risking a booking on those terms. Thoughts?
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Old 1st May 2020, 18:53
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Happy to be put right, but isn't sweating through exercise and having a fever two seperate things? Don't think the former increases your internal temperature?
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Happy to be put right, but isn't sweating through exercise and having a fever two seperate things? Don't think the former increases your internal temperature?
People will just make it up as they go along and asssume because someone re assurred them that it works then it will work.
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Sun loungers separated by plexiglass. Blood tests and sanitiser spray-downs before flights. These might sound extreme, but they are real measures some in the travel industry are looking at to keep holidaymakers feeling safe and comfortable in a post-lockdown world.
A recent survey by the International Air Transport Association (IATA) found that 60% of people questioned would wait for two months before booking flights after the coronavirus is contained - 40% said they would wait for at least six months. Boeing, which has cut 10% of its global workforce in response to Covid-19, has said it does not expect air travel to return to 2019 levels until at least 2023. IAG, the parent company of British Airways, said it could take "several years".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52450038

Billionaire investor Warren Buffett says his company Berkshire Hathaway has sold all of its shares in the four largest US airlines....
...The conglomerate had an 11% stake in Delta Air Lines, 10% of American Airlines, 10% of Southwest Airlines, and 9% of United Airlines, according to its annual report and company filings.
Mr Buffett told the meeting, which was held virtually: "We made that decision in terms of the airline business. We took money out of the business basically even at a substantial loss. We will not fund a company that... where we think that it is going to chew up money in the future."
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Old 3rd May 2020, 09:59
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Some of the stuff like sun loungers etc is easily handled by hotels, just spray clean after every use. Most hygiene related stuff can be worked around.

Upside is that people will be required to be clean.

Downside as many in the US sanitise everything which means they never catch bugs and germs which the body just attacks and builds immunity to.
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Old 3rd May 2020, 11:06
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I would like to know how people would travel in an aircraft taking into account that the cabin is pressurised. Isn't the cabin air re-circulated? Social distancing is going to cause a problem not only in the plane but also in the terminal prior to departure. What if you caught the bug while on the way to the airport and as yet not displaying any symptoms?
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Old 3rd May 2020, 11:39
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I've gone from being mildly optimistic about the impact on air travel to totally pessimistic. It's all about the way people have reacted to this. It has become a media fuelled fear fest. I've even stopped going out for a walk now because as soon as someone sees you they freak out like you're a leper. They appear physically repulsed at the very thought of being anything closer than 10 m. I'm sure some people would literally vomit with fear if they actually came as close as 2m. This is part of the mental health pandemic that is probably going to be more damaging than the virus. It will put millions of people off flying for years. I personally don't have an issue with getting on a plane or sitting next to someone because I'm not old and I'm fit and healthy. If I was old or had a health condition, I wouldn't go near a plane.... and have you seen the age profile of those that (used to) keep planes full out of the main holiday seasons? Travel insurance for the old and vulnerable will become prohibitive.
The only way this will be fixed is a vaccine.
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Old 3rd May 2020, 11:50
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Originally Posted by FFMAN
I've gone from being mildly optimistic about the impact on air travel to totally pessimistic. It's all about the way people have reacted to this. It has become a media fuelled fear fest. I've even stopped going out for a walk now because as soon as someone sees you they freak out like you're a leper. They appear physically repulsed at the very thought of being anything closer than 10 m. I'm sure some people would literally vomit with fear if they actually came as close as 2m. This is part of the mental health pandemic that is probably going to be more damaging than the virus. It will put millions of people off flying for years. I personally don't have an issue with getting on a plane or sitting next to someone because I'm not old and I'm fit and healthy. If I was old or had a health condition, I wouldn't go near a plane.... and have you seen the age profile of those that (used to) keep planes full out of the main holiday seasons? Travel insurance for the old and vulnerable will become prohibitive.
The only way this will be fixed is a vaccine.
​​​​​​Interesting. You're the one who won't go out for a walk so seems you are more paranoid.

I lost count how many times you wrote the word 'old'. Why?

I'm not young but am not afraid of living!!
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​​​​​​I'm not young but am not afraid of living!!


Many people live to 80 but die at 50.
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Old 3rd May 2020, 13:34
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Yesterday in Tenerife we were 'released' after a seven week lockdown, non of the relative freedom enjoyed in the uk. We now have time slots for take off, sorry to go out for walks and yes the 'oldies' (70 and over) have a different time to others. Being an oldie my time was from 10.00 til 12.00. and whilst the social distancing was maintained without exception all those that I encountered were happy, smiling and generally pleased to be out in the fresh air.
So in answer to the post by FFMAN, my experience was not of 'paranoid oldies' but quite the contrary. Probably tempered with the knowledge that the severe restrictions of the lockdown had produced the results of a much reduced infection and death rate.
Stay safe everyone, we will get through it !!
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Old 3rd May 2020, 15:23
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Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone of advanced years and to ericlday (tut tut) I did not at any point refer to 'paranoid oldies' as you claim I did. In fact the freaked out idiots you see in the street in the UK are more likely to be younger people - the actual young don't care (you're indestructible then, remember?), it's more like the 30-50 age group.
I refered to older people because of three things:
1. They make up a disproportionate percentage of the passengers on flights that keep those routes going when the working age population is, erm working (or at least they were).
2. They tend to have more money to spend on travel than younger people
3. They are most at genuine risk from this virus
What I am saying is that add 1 + 2 + 3 together and you have a pile of trouble for airlines in to the medium term.
And ZFT - I fully agree; problem is we're not allowed to live at the moment.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52523320

Whilst I can understand the aviation industries concern, is this any different that what many other countries have done? I admit to feeling conflicted. This would impact my working life so I have reasons to be against the idea but do we risk throwing away the progress made if we leave the door open? Another health versus economy conundrum.

Hopefully we should have some answers later this week one way or the other enabling industry and the travelling public to plan for the immediate future.
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Current cases at 187k. Which is of course a massive underestimation. Let's assume the real number of cases in the community is 20 fold. Round it up to 200k and multiply by 20. That still means that there are 62 million healthy people in lockdown in the UK.
Healthy people don't infect others. We should be releasing healthy people back in the community.
Testing and tracing is the key.
We have better technology and widespread media to order takeaways than to detect trace and contact positive cases.
Current testing for key workers should have been available 6 weeks ago. Right now we should be rolling it to the communities.
This requires massive resources and logistics which should have been prepared months ago. We have a defence budget for wars that never happen. This should have been treated the same way.
Yet somehow the daily government updates are trying to make us think they've done a great job so far.
There is a clown on the other side of the Atlantic who uses the expression "great job" a lot. (Tremendous too). That's usually to indicate anything BUT a great job...


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Originally Posted by mike current
Healthy people don't infect others. We should be releasing healthy people back in the community.
Testing and tracing is the key.
We have better technology and widespread media to order takeaways than to detect trace and contact positive cases.
Current testing for key workers should have been available 6 weeks ago. Right now we should be rolling it to the communities.
This requires massive resources and logistics which should have been prepared months ago. We have a defence budget for wars that never happen. This should have been treated the same way.
Yet somehow the daily government updates are trying to make us think they've done a great job so far.
There is a clown on the other side of the Atlantic who uses the expression "great job" a lot. (Tremendous too). That's usually to indicate anything BUT a great job...
Very well said, testing is not going far enough. As we are told the Gov has gone further than testing 100,000 a day (NHS , key workers and Care homes now included) are we testing these people over and over ? While they are fighting for us all and deserve to be tested should we not be starting to test the wider communities after all its those people catching the Virus and ending up in hospital. Test as many in the public as is possible then you know who does or does not have the virus ??

Not exactly sure how the Track test and isolate system is going to work if I got a ping on the app telling me I had been in contact with someone who has it ? That person who passed it on obviously did not know they had it or they would have been in isolation if they did. Before a vaccination is found I think mass testing is possibly the one major way out of Lockdown. So many could be walking around totally oblivious that they are carrying the Virus. TEST TEST TEST or is that finacially too expensive for the UK
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Test track and trace is only practical once the number of new cases has been drastically reduced.
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Originally Posted by inOban
Test track and trace is only practical once the number of new cases has been drastically reduced.
Eh ?

Germany started tracking and testing from Day 1, their deaths are 20% of the UK.

Govt pumps billions into GCHQ so pretending we could not do something like this is laughable, phone companies can tell you where you have been to within 30 metres day by day for months.

Inept, incompetent, complacent is the hallmark of this Govt.

A relative of a family friend who is Polish was studying in Uni in UK. He went back in mid march when lockdown happened. Met at airport, app installed on his phone, told to isolate and told they would track his phone. He got messages to respond to at all time of the day and night from 9am to midnight. It wasn't that difficult.
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