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The Irish routes were especially popular with Americans, although Irish preferred to fly with Aer Lingus - so maybe that was a part of play. However, Norwegian’s line is that it isn’t profitable running them with weight restricted 737-800’s and there is no certainty in the MAX situation - so they would rather cancel them.
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Its a shame that all Trans Atlantic Norwegian routes have been cancelled from Ireland, its an interesting model, but even with the MAX is challenged by poor utilisation. I think that just leaves the LGW operations? Ireland is a tough market with Aer Lingus (IAG) at one end with two-class A330/321/757s and the US3 at the other. EI and AA will likely have their JV in place from next summer. Wit the DL/VS/AF/KL and StarJV Point-to-Point service between secondary markets is a tough sell and fares are rock bottom this winter - I think the narrow-body operations might have a better chance flying into a US hub, or Dublin.
The 737 is not a Transatlantic load and long hauler LOL
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The Irish routes were especially popular with Americans, although Irish preferred to fly with Aer Lingus - so maybe that was a part of play. However, Norwegian’s line is that it isn’t profitable running them with weight restricted 737-800’s and there is no certainty in the MAX situation - so they would rather cancel them.
Indebtedness is worse than 2008, company debt is worse, national debt is worse and western world is slipping into a recession.
Max issue will help a lot of companies because it allows consolidation of routes and more importantly Boeing will be paying a lot of cash out.
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Its a shame that all Trans Atlantic Norwegian routes have been cancelled from Ireland, its an interesting model, but even with the MAX is challenged by poor utilisation. I think that just leaves the LGW operations? Ireland is a tough market with Aer Lingus (IAG) at one end with two-class A330/321/757s and the US3 at the other. EI and AA will likely have their JV in place from next summer. Wit the DL/VS/AF/KL and StarJV Point-to-Point service between secondary markets is a tough sell and fares are rock bottom this winter - I think the narrow-body operations might have a better chance flying into a US hub, or Dublin.
Norwegian have a very extensive operation across the Atlantic from many cities like Paris, Amsterdam, Barcelona etc. Mostly centred on NYC and West Coast.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding.
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It would be great if only it were true. Sadly, the long standing 757 run on UA didn't make a satisfactory return on investment and Norwegian were out like a shot. Norwegian have traditionally not been one to cut routes, but they didn't give BFS much time, that speaks volumes.
The bulk of NI passengers go to Dublin, enjoy US immigration preclearance and fly non-stop. Some go via LHR or AMS and some via MAN and LGW. I was on Aer Lingus BHD LHR and there were lots of passengers on the early flight going via LHR to the US...
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How do you figure that BFS will benefit from this?
It would be great if only it were true. Sadly, the long standing 757 run on UA didn't make a satisfactory return on investment and Norwegian were out like a shot. Norwegian have traditionally not been one to cut routes, but they didn't give BFS much time, that speaks volumes.
The bulk of NI passengers go to Dublin, enjoy US immigration preclearance and fly non-stop. Some go via LHR or AMS and some via MAN and LGW. I was on Aer Lingus BHD LHR and there were lots of passengers on the early flight going via LHR to the US...
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It would be great if only it were true. Sadly, the long standing 757 run on UA didn't make a satisfactory return on investment and Norwegian were out like a shot. Norwegian have traditionally not been one to cut routes, but they didn't give BFS much time, that speaks volumes.
The bulk of NI passengers go to Dublin, enjoy US immigration preclearance and fly non-stop. Some go via LHR or AMS and some via MAN and LGW. I was on Aer Lingus BHD LHR and there were lots of passengers on the early flight going via LHR to the US...
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For how many years did Aer Lingus manage a Split Run (by which I presume you mean flights originating in DUB and BFS meeting in SNN to swop onward pax to JFK and BOS)?
I only recall using it once.
For me, transatlantic from DUB is a no-brainer, although I did occasionally depart DUB and return to BFS (Continental/UA) to have local immigration/customs and short journey home on return
IMHO, there simply is no sustainable BFS transatlantic market other than a few summer holiday jaunts.
I think the carriers have established that as a fact
I only recall using it once.
For me, transatlantic from DUB is a no-brainer, although I did occasionally depart DUB and return to BFS (Continental/UA) to have local immigration/customs and short journey home on return
IMHO, there simply is no sustainable BFS transatlantic market other than a few summer holiday jaunts.
I think the carriers have established that as a fact
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Airline Routes reporting this morning what could almost be described as a "cull" of their short-haul routes, some suspended and some cancelled. This suggests that they have far too many routes that are unsustainable from a financial point of view. Assuming that they will be either grounding or returning some of their aircraft to the leasing companies.
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Well it wasn't too long ago I was on a flight from Manchester to Tenerife with Norwegian in November and only 12 people onboard...
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Heathrow Slots
I see that Norwegian have been awarded 3 slot pairs for Heathrow starting summer 2020.
I wonder what routes they will operate?
Summer season starts 29th March.
I wonder what routes they will operate?
Summer season starts 29th March.
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Pointless eve trying at three weekly. If BA can match them on costs at Gatters with a 10 abreast B777, one wonders how higher cost LHR will work for Norwegian directly up against BA/AA, DL/VS and UA. Are they really going to chase bucket fares out of *Heathrow* on JFK? This is a pyramid scheme not an airline...
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Pointless eve trying at three weekly. If BA can match them on costs at Gatters with a 10 abreast B777, one wonders how higher cost LHR will work for Norwegian directly up against BA/AA, DL/VS and UA. Are they really going to chase bucket fares out of *Heathrow* on JFK? This is a pyramid scheme not an airline...
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I got excited when I read “three slots” as I stupidly assumed this was per day. Three a week is not quite as exciting. Can someone enlighten us as to what the timings granted are and what destination was used in the application?
