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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 13:00
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Given LHR is higher cost and MCO and high volume leisure destination with comparably limited business traffic, why add further costs by opening LHR. It's adding nothing but further costs to an existing LON-MCO rotation. Traditionally you move a long haul route to LHR to easier sell the front cabin, but I don't see much of a marginal difference on MCO vs LGW.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 13:16
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot View Post
Given LHR is higher cost and MCO and high volume leisure destination with comparably limited business traffic, why add further costs by opening LHR. It's adding nothing but further costs to an existing LON-MCO rotation. Traditionally you move a long haul route to LHR to easier sell the front cabin, but I don't see much of a marginal difference on MCO vs LGW.
They are probably looking to attract passengers from North Greater London who prefer Heathrow. I know a relative who last year used Heathrow to go to Orlando via Charlotte with American rather than go to Gatwick. He and his family live in Watford. Also Heathrow is more convenient to get to from the South West and southern Wales and the Midlands.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 13:19
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Also Heathrow is more convenient to get to from the South West and southern Wales and the Midlands.
And a long list of other places...
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 14:22
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For the avoidance of doubt these are 3 slot pairs DAILY from next summer (from a well placed source inside DY), so a gamechanger for Norwegian and one which will have a bearing on the value of the company. They may well also be offered some 'slotsitting' opportunities as well so this could be a very smart timely move.
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 14:37
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Not according to flightglobal.

"Heathrow's slot co-ordination organisation, ACL, has disclosed that Norwegian requested 14 weekly slots but has been given six, the equivalent of three weekly departures."
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 19:06
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Originally Posted by casadave View Post
For the avoidance of doubt these are 3 slot pairs DAILY from next summer (from a well placed source inside DY), so a gamechanger for Norwegian and one which will have a bearing on the value of the company. They may well also be offered some 'slotsitting' opportunities as well so this could be a very smart timely move.
No this is false. And more so if you talk about the value of the company. Norwegian is most traded retail stock in Norway with wild swings of more that 10% per day on gossips or as they call them game changing news. The last fake news about SSJ order were shared as some secret inside info for weeks even after proven false.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 12:26
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 View Post
They are probably looking to attract passengers from North Greater London who prefer Heathrow. I know a relative who last year used Heathrow to go to Orlando via Charlotte with American rather than go to Gatwick. He and his family live in Watford. Also Heathrow is more convenient to get to from the South West and southern Wales and the Midlands.
Indeed. I spent a bit of time living in East Berkshire and from where I lived LHR was within 25 minutes driving time, compared to 1 hour for LGW if the M25 was clear. For most people living in North/North West/West London and for most living North/North West/West/South West of the M25, it is easier to get to LHR than it is to LGW. The market is there, but you wouldn't know it unless somebody tried it due to the well-documented slot constraints at LHR. There's also the fact that LHR is considered the primary London gateway.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 12:56
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Indeed. I spent a bit of time living in East Berkshire and from where I lived LHR was within 25 minutes driving time, compared to 1 hour for LGW if the M25 was clear. For most people living in North/North West/West London and for most living North/North West/West/South West of the M25, it is easier to get to LHR than it is to LGW. The market is there, but you wouldn't know it unless somebody tried it due to the well-documented slot constraints at LHR. There's also the fact that LHR is considered the primary London gateway.
Is this really the best use of slots.

Are we not veering away from a business market here ?

I thought LHR was supposed to be the prestige airport for London not the lo cost market ?
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 13:10
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Originally Posted by Navpi View Post
Is this really the best use of slots.

Are we not veering away from a business market here ?

I thought LHR was supposed to be the prestige airport for London not the lo cost market ?
Id say it’s the best use of slots that are on Tuesdays, Saturdays and Sundays, include early afternoon arrivals into LHR and have no direct competition. 3x weekly is also a sensible starting block for such a route, unlike a JFK/LAX that would require a daily service to be competitive.

The “best use of slots” argument is rather null and void when the slots were free. If it doesn’t work out, they give them back.

If they’d paid an extortionate amount for them, fine.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 14:07
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Actually I think LHR MCO will work for them. There are more than enough customers for a reasonably priced business class on that route and they will have no problem filling economy at a reasonable yield. After all, you don't really think that EK fills five A380s a day from LHR to DXB entirely with business passengers do you?
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 22:14
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I see that they have off loaded the Argentinean operation.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 07:01
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No surprises there.
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Old 10th Dec 2019, 08:55
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
Actually I think LHR MCO will work for them. There are more than enough customers for a reasonably priced business class on that route and they will have no problem filling economy at a reasonable yield. After all, you don't really think that EK fills five A380s a day from LHR to DXB entirely with business passengers do you?
Norwegian's premium cabin is hardly "Business Class" though (admittedly its not Business class price either)
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 12:53
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8 hours ago - Norwegian to wet-lease three A320s ch-aviation PRO exclusive. SmartLynx Airlines Airbus A320-200 © SmartLynx Airlines

Anybody know where these 3 A320's are to be based, what routes will they be on, and how long will Norwegian be leasing them for.

Thanks
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 13:44
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Why do Norwegian need to wet lease aircraft ? I would venture that they need to be slimming their operation down and if necessary cutting routes, no matter what is happening to the 737 Max
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Old 11th Dec 2019, 21:58
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Another question ... Why are so many 737s being SE- registered? The LN- and EI- fleets are both shrinking fast, yet the SE- fleet are operating the very same routes which would have been flown by EI- and LN- aircraft. What is the financial incentive?
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 01:35
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Originally Posted by fjencl View Post
8 hours ago - Norwegian to wet-lease three A320s ch-aviation PRO exclusive. SmartLynx Airlines Airbus A320-200 © SmartLynx Airlines

Anybody know where these 3 A320's are to be based, what routes will they be on, and how long will Norwegian be leasing them for.

Thanks
Norwegian (DY) will base the leased A320s in OSL (2) and ARN (1).
Not sure for how long they will be leased for.
The routes served by the A320s from OSL will be AMS, BCN, BUD, CDG, GDN, KRK, MUC, NCE, PLQ, RIX, SXF, VIA, VNO, WAW
The routes served by the A320 from ARN will be ALC, AMS, CDG, FCO, KRK, PRG, RAK, RIX, SXF

Currently, the short-haul fleet for the group is as follows:
Norwegian (DY):
27x B738s and 3x grounded B38M

Norwegian Air International (D8):
53x B738 and 9x grounded B38M

Norwegian Air Sweden (LE):
18x B738 and 6x grounded B38M
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Old 12th Dec 2019, 08:12
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A little out of date with the numbers Severn. The Norwegian Air Sweden B738 fleet is already at least 24!

Most came from the Norwegian Air Norway (NAN) fleet, which now seems to be down to just one aircraft (LN-NIB)
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