Blue Air cancels flights and blames Brexit

[LTNman]

Originally Posted by 22/04

Even if there is more to it than meets the eye - there are going to be a lot of businesses not betting on the UK when there is a relatively "strong and stable" EU out there with a market size ten times bigger.

And there was I reading that the EU was heading back into recession and that France had recalled its Ambassador from Italy while counties in Eastern Europe won't do what they are told by EU bureaucrats. Meanwhile London's 6 airports are all planning massive expansion despite Brexit. No one is saying that on March 29th there won't be issues but they will sort themselves out.

Also remember when the minimum wage was introduced with institutions and some politicians saying it would cause mass unemployment. Well they didn't get that right did they.

[El Bunto]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

Any pulling of flights has to be done 2 weeks in advance anyway, and with little obvious sign of agreement between Westminster and Brussels, it's getting close to crunch time for small airlines operating 7th freedom routes between the UK and the EU27

And what a responsible airline would have done is to position-out its aircraft and lease-in a charter to cover the Liverpool flights until 29 March.

But as usual, we see that the 'contract' between an airline and its cutomers isn't worth the pixels on the screen. The airline can do what it likes and the passengers can pound sand.

[LTNman]

Originally Posted by LGS6753

Luton-Larnaca flights bookable through the summer. Luton-Turin only seems to be operating this week, and on 23rd March.

No one has yet to come up with an answer as to why Brexit stops Blue Air flights to and from Turin while Larnaca is unaffected.

Going back to Blue Air and its Liverpool based aircraft. Would the same issue not also affect Ryanair with its UK based aircraft yet they are opening a new base at Southend.

Just to be clear I am not saying there isn’t a Brexit factor if the airline is thinking there will be a passenger drop caused by less people wanting to fly but cut backs are due to commercial decisions and not Brexit barriers to flying which was hinted in the Independent newspaper report.

[SWBKCB]

And what a responsible airline would have done is to position-out its aircraft and lease-in a charter to cover the Liverpool flights until 29 March. But as usual, we see that the 'contract' between an airline and its cutomers isn't worth the pixels on the screen. The airline can do what it likes and the passengers can pound sand.

Maybe govts could get their acts together and give airlines a proper regulatory framework to work ijn rather than indulging in games of checken with the economies of nations?

No one has yet to come up with an answer as to why Brexit stops Blue Air flights to and from Turin while Larnaca is unaffected.

I think they're hoping for a deal which will allow Turin to operate but have a plan to switch it to another route if it can't.

Going back to Blue Air and its Liverpool based aircraft. Would the same issue not also affect Ryanair with its UK based aircraft yet they are opening a new base at Southend.

That's why Ryanair UK has been set up

[BACsuperVC10]

From Liverpool most of their routes were duplications of Easyjet or Ryanair or both. Whilst they were popular destinations they flew to, out side passengers going to Eastern Europe , this airline was relatively unknown compared to FR and Easy, however I'd find it hard to believe that they couldn't sell seats to Malaga for examp!e .They still managed to get between 70 and 85 % load factor on LPL- ROM which isn't too shabby. The Brexit uncertainty can't have helped things, and has now been mentioned by Blue Air , Flybe and Bmi regional as a reason for their respective problems.

[LTNman]

But they will be using in the main Irish registered aircraft. So how many UK registered aircraft does Ryanair actually have? How many UK based office staff does Ryanair employ at its UK HQ?

[Navpi]

Most UK aviation is actually expanding, I assume therefore that must also be as a result of Brexit?

[22/04]

I think the UK will at least initially be rather more lenient towards non UK aircraft operating from the UK to elsewhere than the EU may be after the year end if there is a hard brexit.

If the worst comes to the worst Ryanair UK will have at east eight months to re-register the aircraft operating UK routes.

[SWBKCB]

But they will be using in the main Irish registered aircraft. So how many UK registered aircraft does Ryanair actually have? How many UK based office staff does Ryanair employ at its UK HQ?

That's what they hope to do, but they will have plans in place to change quickly if they can't - just like they did with Ryanair Sun which was set up just to do 'bucket and spade' flights from Poland.

As things stand, my understanding is that there is no regulatory framework for flights between the UK and the EU27 after 29/03

[Barling Magna]

Originally Posted by Navpi

Most UK aviation is actually expanding, I assume therefore that must also be as a result of Brexit?

flyBMI....? I guess you mean most other UK aviation.

[mike current]

Originally Posted by Navpi

Most UK aviation is actually expanding, I assume therefore that must also be as a result of Brexit?

It's been expanding since 2011. There was no sign of Brexit then. The impact of Brexit on UK aviation, whether it will be positive or negative, will be measured in the months/years to come.

[Cat Techie]

Originally Posted by Navpi

Most UK aviation is actually expanding, I assume therefore that must also be as a result of Brexit?

One has to look at the balance books of UK airlines, both long and short haul operators to see what mess they are actually in. Look at our regional operators. FlyBe - Brought out before it collasped. Eastern Airways - Bristows are keeping it afloat. BMI Regional - gone. Yes, it is the result of Brexit, the devaluation of the pound over the last 3 years, the removal of carbon tax exemptions by the EU for regional carriers that has happen now, the accumulations of which are helping tip companies over. Only good thing about Brexit would be to bin the 3 hour tech delay compensation laws. However the Tories do that? Fat chance.

[Pain in the R's]

Germania, Primera Air, Skyworks, VLM, Air Berlin, SmallPlanet, Niki, Darwin Airlines.....

Maybe Cat Techie thinks Brexit caused these airlines to go bust in the last 2 years. That would be the claim if they were UK based airlines.

[TOM100]

Diana's death - Brexit

[Fairdealfrank]

And there was me thinking that Brexit happens on 29th March.

You're having a laugh, look forward to EU parliament elections.

Diana's death - Brexit

Indeed! At last the truth is out.

[Council Van]

Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10

.They still managed to get between 70 and 85 % load factor on LPL- ROM which isn't too shabby.

For a cut price airline that is atrocious.

[BACsuperVC10]

If it was Easyjet or Ryanair they would have certainly carried more passengers, Blue Air is still a new entity for non Eastern European passengers from Liverpool