Norwegian cuts

[EIFFS]

Well Rex, the vast majority of seats cost way above £170, that’s not to suggest the financial performance is well below what is required.

For at least the last 5 years the demise of NAS has been forecast by all manner of armchair accountants, but for now it’s still here. The long held view is that NAS will never be truly profitable until it stops expanding, that there is staggering waste is not disputed, so maybe slamming on the brakes might cause a change of direction.

Longer term my best guess is that it will be acquired by another major group.

[racedo]

Had a look at going to US in Feb, flying Dub - Providence (RI) was £320. Now got told that but its not Boston or New York both of which we had down to see but NYC was £700 and BOS was £650. No idea how they can but would not have complained. Decided sunshine instead.

[Buster the Bear]

No Premium ticket lounge access unless you buy a flex ticket and no free cocktails on board for those passengers!

Frankly, having experienced the Norwegian Premium product, the loss is inconsequential, simply as what they provide to me is incredibly better than any other Premier Economy products that I have sampled elsewhere.

[willy wombat]

I'm not going to join the "it is/isn't" down to Brexit debate but no one has mentioned the Sterling exchange rate. The weak pound makes it more expensive to travel abroad from the UK and decreases the yield airlines obtain from UK sales. It does however encourage people to visit the UK as it has become a much cheaper destination.

[Pain in the R's]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

Oh dear God man! Did you in all seriousness blame the housing crisis on a vote to leave the EU? Housebuilding has been constrained for decades to keep prices HIGH, you can’t buy a house because we’re not building nearly enough and haven’t done since Thatcher.
In aviation terms, if easyJet and Ryanair really do start moving units out of Gatwick and Stansted onto the continent, then you’ll have a point. But look at how many MORE aircraft EZY are ADDING to MAN by way of example?

Actually there is an argument that mass migration in some areas has helped create a housing shortage. Landlords buy properties so removing them from people seeking a home to live in. Many Eastern Europeans then rent those properties as they can't afford a deposit.

[Fairdealfrank]

Nothing to do with Brexit, but it suits many management to blame it.

Many politicians too, including some who blamed the EU before the referendum.

I can remember when the minimum wage was proposed, those against it made headlines about a massive rise in unemployment which never happened. Now we have companies appearing on the TV complaining about how their wage bills will rise due to a lack of unlimited cheap labour and in fact a labour shortage.

There is no question that free movement from countries with much lower wages has driven down wages as well. This was not a problem before 2004.

Well I hope they do rise as too many people are struggling to make ends meet but parliament will water down Brexit so much that it will be in name only. No wonder the EU is remaining firm when there are those that undermine our negotiating position from day one.

There is no reason why the EU should/would negotiate a reasonable agreement. Those who suggested that it would and/or that it may be "easy", would be those who know little about how it works: Boris, Michael Gove, etc.. Those who have been involved with the intricate workings of the EU such as previous negotiators Gisela Stuart and Peter Lilly, for example, said no such thing. Nigel Farage suggested that pressure would brought by European businesses for a sensible trade deal, but in two and half tears there have been no such negotiations, so we may never know.

In the south all of London's 6 airports are planning massive expansion so clearly they are not bothered as they can see further than April.

For every business whinging about Brexit and threatening to leave (but never actually doing so), there are many planning expansion.

If you read my first post which started all this you’ll see it was never suggested Norwegian’s woes are down to Brexit. The original poster enquired whether the charter flights Norwegian operate for TUI would be replaced by Air Europa etc. I said no because they are ditching third party flights due to lack of demand. Which apparently is nothing to do with Brexit either as Brexit is the sunny uplands..

Sunny uplands? Only possible with a proper Brexit. Brexit "in name only" and/or May's deal ("say no to no say") do not cut it.

Not everything is Brexit no, but a lot of things clearly are and in others it’s really not helping matters. I could go on giving tangible examples such as property sales being at a thirty year low but some people will argue black is white in defence of “the will of the people”, so I’ll just leave it there.

To quote John McEnroe: "What! You cannot be serious, the ball was in"

Oh dear God man! Did you in all seriousness blame the housing crisis on a vote to leave the EU? Housebuilding has been constrained for decades to keep prices HIGH, you can’t buy a house because we’re not building nearly enough and haven’t done since Thatcher

(1) The refusal (under Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron and May) to require councils to build adequate numbers of council houses including replacements for those sold under “right to buy”;
(2) the “land banking” by big house builders to artificially force up property prices and the failure of planning regulations to prevent this; and
(3) the explosion of buy-to-let in recent years

have more to do with this rather than brexit (or the EU for that matter!)

I'm not going to join the "it is/isn't" down to Brexit debate but no one has mentioned the Sterling exchange rate.

Sterling exchange rates have been dire since the "crash" of 2008. The days of £1.00 = euro 1.70 or US$2.10 are long gone, it's not just since 2016.

BTW after all this time since the referendum, the UK is STILL in the EU.

Actually there is an argument that mass migration in some areas has helped create a housing shortage.

It did not CAUSE the housing crisis, but it definitely hasn't help to resolve it.

[ptr120]

Originally Posted by [color=#000000

. The days of £1.00 = euro 1.70 or US$2.10 are long gone, it's not just since 2016.[/color]

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Factcheck: GBP/EUR traded around the 1.70 level twice in history: Early May 2000 and late October 2000 (and those were brief spikes in both instances). Of course, the EUR didn't exist as an actual (physical) currency at the time and had a smaller membership too. In a physical form and replacing national currencies, the EUR didn't exist until 1 January 2002. Sources:
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/ba...gbp/GBP-to-EUR
https://www.oanda.com/currency/help/euro

[macdo]

As Mr. MacMillan said many years ago when asked what Prime Ministers feared most - "Events,dear boy, Events".

Pretty much sums up Brexit vs. Management Ineptitude arguments.

[SWBKCB]

Sunny uplands? Only possible with a proper Brexit.

I've yet to see a proper answer to the conundrum of how we have 'frictionless' trade with the EU and 'free trade' with the rest of the world (anybody who says 'technology' can go and stand in a corner...), or how Brexit works without the two.

[Refuellerman]

The word on the street is that TUI are moving in on a deal for some of their aircraft...... .

[daz211]

Always strikes me as odd, when an airline decides To go up against the big boys with Longhaul. most will say I have my own engender but a money maker would be a base at Stansted, no competition no price to under cut, I’m not saying pull out of Gatwick just run it along side. Im not wanting this to turn into “longhaul doesn’t work at Stansted”, primera was very popular whilst it lasted. just my opinion nothing more nothing less.

[compton3bravo]

I would suggest Daz why Primera was popular because it was too sodding cheap, not charging enough to cover costs never mind trying to make profit.

[southside bobby]

We do not need to rehearse the debate again c3b but there was rather more to it than that simplistic answer.

[daz211]

Originally Posted by compton3bravo

I would suggest Daz why Primera was popular because it was too sodding cheap, not charging enough to cover costs never mind trying to make profit.

Ok for the sake of an argument, Emirates are very popular at Stansted.
My point was, people want to fly across the pond from Stansted, many drive past Stansted just to get to Heathrow and Gatwick, Someone is going to get there first and others will follow.

[compton3bravo]

Never mentioned anything about Stansted, good luck to Emirates and anybody else who want to fly from there, my point was pure economics. A few years ago a specialist cruise company were losing £50 on every client, guess what it went bust. I rest my case.

[SOPS]

Down here in Australia we seem to do fine without being a member of the EU.. I struggle to see the problem of leaving?

[AirportPlanner1]

Originally Posted by daz211

Always strikes me as odd, when an airline decides To go up against the big boys with Longhaul. most will say I have my own engender but a money maker would be a base at Stansted, no competition no price to under cut, I’m not saying pull out of Gatwick just run it along side. Im not wanting this to turn into “longhaul doesn’t work at Stansted”, primera was very popular whilst it lasted. just my opinion nothing more nothing less.

I’m a Stansted “fan” as I’m local but I’m afraid that argument is a little simplistic because you need to look at the wider context. On certain high volume routes that generate significant numbers of UK-based pax - I’m thinking NY, Dubai, Orlando for example - it’s possible that a small premium could be charged for convenience. However, there is a ceiling for this because otherwise people will just book from rival airports instead. For other routes with thinner markets that need to draw custom from across the south and from the destination, you have to match the competition or you won’t get any passengers. An American sitting in Austin doesn’t care whether they land in Gatwick or Stansted unless one was much cheaper than the other.

Thats not to say long haul wouldnt work at STN because I believe it can, but to do so for greater profitability on the basis of escaping competition is flawed.

[toledoashley]

I have it on good authority (from someone who should know) that Stansted has a smaller catchment area for long haul than Gatwick has, so hence why the movement towards Gatwick.

[22/04]

I have it on good authority (from someone who should know) that Stansted has a smaller catchment area for long haul than Gatwick has, so hence why the movement towards Gatwick.

Not only smaller but I expect less wealthy - Sussex, Hants, Surrey and Dorset have a lot of wealthy people some with time on their hands for travel I expect.

[southside bobby]

daz211 is making a fair point in #34...