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Lydd like Manston is holed below the waterline because it does not have a viable catchment area. Unless you coach in the masses like it used to be in the 1960s for cheap inclusive tours holidays, and that travel model has changed, no one is going to drive to the middle of nowhere on the off chance an aircraft may turn up.
Oliver Iny was skipping around the city promoting Gatwick mk 2 - at that board meeting in Mayfair to approve of the plan for EUjet - one of us got up mid-pitch and walked out resigning on the spot - making a statement that it was financial suicide and impossible to achieve or deliver as per the expectations of the proposed plan... the rest, as they say, is history!!!
To be fair, the final nail in the coffin was the disastrous acquisition of EUJet and Olly had been booted out by then. But by that point no-one was prepared to throw good money after bad. The mystery is just how Olly was able to get away with it for so long.
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The thing is even the “good little regional” model was marginal at best...MAN was tried and it was a disaster, BHD was tried and it was less than half full, EDI did OK but loads were far from spectacular and it was dropped, AMS was tried and loads were mediocre. Weekly to JER did OK. Med flights were tried and they were marginal at best.
I’m sure KLM could make a go of it a couple of times a day, BE could make another go of it with EDI, Ryanair could come in 4-5 weekly to some Med destinations. There is a bit of a market for bizjets and some freight. The problem is for the cost of reactivating the place it would be impossible to make any return, and any airline coming in would need considerable incentives to do so.
I’m sure KLM could make a go of it a couple of times a day, BE could make another go of it with EDI, Ryanair could come in 4-5 weekly to some Med destinations. There is a bit of a market for bizjets and some freight. The problem is for the cost of reactivating the place it would be impossible to make any return, and any airline coming in would need considerable incentives to do so.
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Ahh yes, Oliver Iny. Living breathing proof that dreamers are not necessarily the best people to commercialise their vision and bring it to life. Rarely has so much shareholder cash been sp****d up against a wall in pursuit of such an utterly futile and disastrous series of projects. I wonder what happened to him? Manston was the jewel in the Wiggins / Planestation crown of course, and if they’d stuck to running it as a niche operation along the lines you suggested then who knows? But Olly’s vision was far grander than that. He wanted a landmark international airport business and he wanted it in a hurry. So not only was Manston marketed as the next big London airport, but the operating rights to a whole string of obscure overseas airports was acquired (using unsecured loans), none of which had any realistic prospect of success, most of which faced well established competition and few of which came with any significant ongoing operations. The landlords probably couldn’t believe their luck.
To be fair, the final nail in the coffin was the disastrous acquisition of EUJet and Olly had been booted out by then. But by that point no-one was prepared to throw good money after bad. The mystery is just how Olly was able to get away with it for so long.
To be fair, the final nail in the coffin was the disastrous acquisition of EUJet and Olly had been booted out by then. But by that point no-one was prepared to throw good money after bad. The mystery is just how Olly was able to get away with it for so long.
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The thing is even the “good little regional” model was marginal at best...MAN was tried and it was a disaster, BHD was tried and it was less than half full, EDI did OK but loads were far from spectacular and it was dropped, AMS was tried and loads were mediocre. Weekly to JER did OK. Med flights were tried and they were marginal at best.
I’m sure KLM could make a go of it a couple of times a day, BE could make another go of it with EDI, Ryanair could come in 4-5 weekly to some Med destinations. There is a bit of a market for bizjets and some freight. The problem is for the cost of reactivating the place it would be impossible to make any return, and any airline coming in would need considerable incentives to do so.
I’m sure KLM could make a go of it a couple of times a day, BE could make another go of it with EDI, Ryanair could come in 4-5 weekly to some Med destinations. There is a bit of a market for bizjets and some freight. The problem is for the cost of reactivating the place it would be impossible to make any return, and any airline coming in would need considerable incentives to do so.
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We are about 10 weeks in since the DCO was pulled from the PI and still no sign of a re submission. Despite RSP stating within 6 weeks, the MP for North Thanet Gale force 9 saying within 2 weeks, and now Gale is saying another 2 weeks from now.
RSP have been spouting out they have spent 7 million so far on Manston when in fact they came clean to the PI with half a million, and still couldn't prove they had the funds to purchase the airport if a DCO was accepted.
Micky Mouse and Co.
RSP have been spouting out they have spent 7 million so far on Manston when in fact they came clean to the PI with half a million, and still couldn't prove they had the funds to purchase the airport if a DCO was accepted.
Micky Mouse and Co.
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It would cost at least £40 mill to get the licence back and would require at least £100 mill in an investment of concrete/sheds and navaids in order to be a serious contender for anything to consider operating there again.
If you have a spare £250 mill in your back pocket and fancy a 100-year punt as a pension fund - crack on!!
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Is that not exactly what I said?
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He was a most interesting character, I wish I could understand what motivated him. He could have achieved wonderful things by applying the same enthusiasm to something else; something worthwhile.
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Round 2
RiverOak Strategic Partners (RSP) is today (16 July 2018) re-submitting its application for a Development Consent Order (DCO) in which it seeks development consent and compulsory acquisition powers over the Manston Airport site. RSP’s plan for Manston envisages the airport as a major international cargo hub, as well as offering passenger flights.
RPS are not giving up
RiverOak Strategic Partners (RSP) is today (16 July 2018) re-submitting its application for a Development Consent Order (DCO) in which it seeks development consent and compulsory acquisition powers over the Manston Airport site. RSP’s plan for Manston envisages the airport as a major international cargo hub, as well as offering passenger flights.
RPS are not giving up
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RiverOak Strategic Partners (RSP) is today (16 July 2018) re-submitting its application for a Development Consent Order (DCO) in which it seeks development consent and compulsory acquisition powers over the Manston Airport site. RSP’s plan for Manston envisages the airport as a major international cargo hub, as well as offering passenger flights.
RPS are not giving up
RiverOak Strategic Partners (RSP) is today (16 July 2018) re-submitting its application for a Development Consent Order (DCO) in which it seeks development consent and compulsory acquisition powers over the Manston Airport site. RSP’s plan for Manston envisages the airport as a major international cargo hub, as well as offering passenger flights.
RPS are not giving up
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Today's Times says that the planners have OK'd the Cargo hub but there will be a public enquiry before it goes ahead............... I'm not sure that is absolutely correct reading the local paper
expect the return of The Doctor!!!
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Government planning chiefs have agreed to take a look at plans to reopen Manston airport four years after it closed.Hopes to reopen the runway have been given a boost after the decision to accept an application for a development consent order (DCO) submitted by RiverOak Strategic Partners, the consortium which wants to turn the site into a cargo hub.The Planning Inspectorate today announced it would consider the bid after a previous application was withdrawn by RiverOak.
Manston airport has been shut for years (3588233)North Thanet`s MP Sir Roger Gale has welcomed the Planning Inspectorate`s decision to accept the application for a DCO for Manston Airport, saying it is “a first but very significant step in the right direction".“This means that Manston has been accepted as a site of nationally important infrastructure," he said.
Government planning chiefs have agreed to take a look at plans to reopen Manston airport four years after it closed.Hopes to reopen the runway have been given a boost after the decision to accept an application for a development consent order (DCO) submitted by RiverOak Strategic Partners, the consortium which wants to turn the site into a cargo hub.The Planning Inspectorate today announced it would consider the bid after a previous application was withdrawn by RiverOak.
Manston airport has been shut for years (3588233)North Thanet`s MP Sir Roger Gale has welcomed the Planning Inspectorate`s decision to accept the application for a DCO for Manston Airport, saying it is “a first but very significant step in the right direction".“This means that Manston has been accepted as a site of nationally important infrastructure," he said.expect the return of The Doctor!!!
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[QUOTE=Tagron;10113191]River Oak appear to be persevering with their attempt to reopen Manston.
yes indeed,they have their cheque book out
River oak Strategic Partners. Land acquisition at Manston. RiverOak Strategic Partners completes Jentex acquisition | RSP
yes indeed,they have their cheque book out
River oak Strategic Partners. Land acquisition at Manston. RiverOak Strategic Partners completes Jentex acquisition | RSP
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-46758849
Plans to tackle post-Brexit traffic queues by holding lorries in a disused Kent airport will be tested on Monday, it has been revealed.
More than 100 HGVs will travel the 20-mile route from Manston Airport, near Ramsgate, to the Port of Dover. Hauliers fear that a no-deal Brexit will create additional border checks, leading to queues of up to 29 miles.
The government said it had to "prepare for all eventualities... including a possible no deal". Theresa May is attempting to persuade MPs to support her draft deal, but has faced opposition, including from the DUP, which props up the Conservative government. Duncan Buchanan, of the Road Haulage Association (RHA), which helped to organise the trial, told the BBC: "These sort of practical, pragmatic tests need to be done - it just shouldn't be done as late as this. It should have taken place nine months ago."
Additional customs procedures are expected to create tailbacks He said any additional customs checks would lead to queues, adding: "The more rigorous the customs, the longer the queues are likely to be."Image copyright PAImage caption Manston Airport closed in May 2014
It is part of Operation Brock, which is intended to maintain traffic flow on the M20 and prevent a repeat of road closures experienced in 2015 under Operation Stack.
The trial, which will take place between 08:00 and 11:00 GMT on the day many return to work for the first time after Christmas, will test how the A256 copes with increased lorry traffic. It has been organised with the help of the RHA and the Freight Transport Association. Mr Buchanan said import and export businesses on both sides of Channel had "no idea how they are going to deal with the customs process" under a no-deal Brexit.Image copyright AFPImage caption A
He said the Department for Transport (DfT) had hoped to keep the trial "pretty confidential", but details were leaked to local press.
A DfT spokesman said: "We do not want or expect a no-deal scenario and continue to work hard to deliver a deal with the EU. However, it is the duty of a responsible government to continue to prepare for all eventualities and contingencies, including a possible no deal.
"We will be testing part of Operation Brock to ensure that, if it needs to be implemented, the system is fully functional."
Kent County Council said: "We are working with the Department for Transport to ensure there is an effective plan in place should there be any disruption once the UK has left the EU."
It said Operation Brock "would have taken place regardless of the result of the referendum, to improve contingency arrangements for a range of scenarios which could result in cross-Channel disruption, including bad weather and industrial action".
Plans to tackle post-Brexit traffic queues by holding lorries in a disused Kent airport will be tested on Monday, it has been revealed.
More than 100 HGVs will travel the 20-mile route from Manston Airport, near Ramsgate, to the Port of Dover. Hauliers fear that a no-deal Brexit will create additional border checks, leading to queues of up to 29 miles.
The government said it had to "prepare for all eventualities... including a possible no deal". Theresa May is attempting to persuade MPs to support her draft deal, but has faced opposition, including from the DUP, which props up the Conservative government. Duncan Buchanan, of the Road Haulage Association (RHA), which helped to organise the trial, told the BBC: "These sort of practical, pragmatic tests need to be done - it just shouldn't be done as late as this. It should have taken place nine months ago."
Additional customs procedures are expected to create tailbacks He said any additional customs checks would lead to queues, adding: "The more rigorous the customs, the longer the queues are likely to be."Image copyright PAImage caption Manston Airport closed in May 2014
It is part of Operation Brock, which is intended to maintain traffic flow on the M20 and prevent a repeat of road closures experienced in 2015 under Operation Stack.
The trial, which will take place between 08:00 and 11:00 GMT on the day many return to work for the first time after Christmas, will test how the A256 copes with increased lorry traffic. It has been organised with the help of the RHA and the Freight Transport Association. Mr Buchanan said import and export businesses on both sides of Channel had "no idea how they are going to deal with the customs process" under a no-deal Brexit.Image copyright AFPImage caption A
He said the Department for Transport (DfT) had hoped to keep the trial "pretty confidential", but details were leaked to local press.
A DfT spokesman said: "We do not want or expect a no-deal scenario and continue to work hard to deliver a deal with the EU. However, it is the duty of a responsible government to continue to prepare for all eventualities and contingencies, including a possible no deal.
"We will be testing part of Operation Brock to ensure that, if it needs to be implemented, the system is fully functional."
Kent County Council said: "We are working with the Department for Transport to ensure there is an effective plan in place should there be any disruption once the UK has left the EU."
It said Operation Brock "would have taken place regardless of the result of the referendum, to improve contingency arrangements for a range of scenarios which could result in cross-Channel disruption, including bad weather and industrial action".
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Many years ago a certain company in the news recently who use to run the civil side at manston had an agreement with H M Customs to by pass the customs at Ramsgate and Dover and used the Customs at manston to clear freight this was before the open boarders looks like the present owners are going to try and do this again.all that traffic going through manston village get mobile tea vans out?
something on the BBC about them starting "an experiment" on Monday morning - sounded as if they are going to feed trucks onto the main road and measure at what point it stops.................... that's what I call evidence based policy making.................
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See that RSP promised on 18th March to planning inspectorate that Manston would not be permitted to open between 11:00pm and 06:00am. Somewhat blows the whole business model for reopening out of the water where all the freight operations would want access during those hours in the main. Doomed, never going to happen on that basis.
