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Eastern also going into London City with a SAAB 50 seater I think from Teeside . This surely shows that deals can be done and that in the current aviation world all things are negotiable. Where there is a will there is a way it requires someone to get hold of it .
Also prior to lockdown other operators going in there with smaller aircraft including Blue Islands .
Also prior to lockdown other operators going in there with smaller aircraft including Blue Islands .
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Someone needs to sort the London situation out urgently and get the London City service restored quickly otherwise this is looking like a total disaster .
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Those flights are most likely just in for TT. The island needs a strong connection to central London to enable adequate business travel and for friends and family to connect ( once the borders are open) and a few flights in June is in no way sufficient. As I keep saying urgent action is required by someone this is a critical route for the island and must not be left without a clear plan of action.
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Those flights are most likely just in for TT. The island needs a strong connection to central London to enable adequate business travel and for friends and family to connect ( once the borders are open) and a few flights in June is in no way sufficient. As I keep saying urgent action is required by someone this is a critical route for the island and must not be left without a clear plan of action.
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That's exactly the way its been with the BA service! The return fares were about £150 which I think is reasonable for a well timed reliable regular service especially when compared to the cost of rail travel in the UK. People have been prepared to pay for it because over 5000 people on average have it used per month leading to average load factors of 70-80%.
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People have been prepared to pay for it because over 5000 people on average have it used per month leading to average load factors of 70-80%.
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[QUOTE=SWBKCB;10839825]Seems like BACF don't agree.[/QUOTE
Indeed but those are indisputable facts hence why I suggest someone intervenes to try and help the situation and ensure the island has an early morning and evening flight into central London. It’s not in anyone’s interest to not have it !
Indeed but those are indisputable facts hence why I suggest someone intervenes to try and help the situation and ensure the island has an early morning and evening flight into central London. It’s not in anyone’s interest to not have it !
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A clue to the future??? https://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-...ional-airline/
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For those that think EasyJet is the answer for the Isle of Man worth reflecting on a few facts
1) This is an airline who is not intending flying to/from the island until at least 1st September. To quote specifically a spoke person for EasyJet said ' Due to travel restrictions in place for flights to the Isle of Man our flying programme to and from the island continues to be under review'. This is interesting especially when Loganair are prepared to travel to and from Liverpool and Manchester in the current circumstances.
2) EasyJet were very happy to charge islanders up to £700 for a return flight to Liverpool when there was restricted availability following the collapse of Flybe.
3) Flight timings to and from London are scheduled to make use of additional pilot hours after or before more lucrative flights so the Isle of Man scheduled timings are very poor.
Whilst believe they have some role to play to connect people ( likely mostly holidaymakers) who want to travel on to Europe they are by no means the answer for the island now or in the future. An alternative plan to provide greater connectivity for the island and in particular London is urgently needed.
1) This is an airline who is not intending flying to/from the island until at least 1st September. To quote specifically a spoke person for EasyJet said ' Due to travel restrictions in place for flights to the Isle of Man our flying programme to and from the island continues to be under review'. This is interesting especially when Loganair are prepared to travel to and from Liverpool and Manchester in the current circumstances.
2) EasyJet were very happy to charge islanders up to £700 for a return flight to Liverpool when there was restricted availability following the collapse of Flybe.
3) Flight timings to and from London are scheduled to make use of additional pilot hours after or before more lucrative flights so the Isle of Man scheduled timings are very poor.
Whilst believe they have some role to play to connect people ( likely mostly holidaymakers) who want to travel on to Europe they are by no means the answer for the island now or in the future. An alternative plan to provide greater connectivity for the island and in particular London is urgently needed.
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Also you missed out...
They offered a rescue fare when flybe collapsed
They have a generous hand baggage allowance
Flight time and price clearly suit those who use it
Better comfort on board
Flight club membership
They have an app that works
They offered a rescue fare when flybe collapsed
They have a generous hand baggage allowance
Flight time and price clearly suit those who use it
Better comfort on board
Flight club membership
They have an app that works
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Comfort on a smaller plane is far superior than the Airbus 318 those who have been “squashed “ in the middle of a three seat bank would I am sure attest to that . And the baggage situation on their flights is one of the worst ever in my experience!
I have no idea how many rescue fares they provided but I still cannot believe anyone will defend charging £700 return to Liverpool !
As I said they have a role to play for those who want it but if we think two flights a day to London and on some days only one then I think that’s misguided especially when 5000 on average a month were prepared to use the London City BA service .
I have no idea how many rescue fares they provided but I still cannot believe anyone will defend charging £700 return to Liverpool !
As I said they have a role to play for those who want it but if we think two flights a day to London and on some days only one then I think that’s misguided especially when 5000 on average a month were prepared to use the London City BA service .
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For those that think EasyJet is the answer for the Isle of Man worth reflecting on a few facts
1) This is an airline who is not intending flying to/from the island until at least 1st September. To quote specifically a spoke person for EasyJet said ' Due to travel restrictions in place for flights to the Isle of Man our flying programme to and from the island continues to be under review'. This is interesting especially when Loganair are prepared to travel to and from Liverpool and Manchester in the current circumstances.
2) EasyJet were very happy to charge islanders up to £700 for a return flight to Liverpool when there was restricted availability following the collapse of Flybe.
3) Flight timings to and from London are scheduled to make use of additional pilot hours after or before more lucrative flights so the Isle of Man scheduled timings are very poor.
Whilst believe they have some role to play to connect people ( likely mostly holidaymakers) who want to travel on to Europe they are by no means the answer for the island now or in the future. An alternative plan to provide greater connectivity for the island and in particular London is urgently needed.
1) This is an airline who is not intending flying to/from the island until at least 1st September. To quote specifically a spoke person for EasyJet said ' Due to travel restrictions in place for flights to the Isle of Man our flying programme to and from the island continues to be under review'. This is interesting especially when Loganair are prepared to travel to and from Liverpool and Manchester in the current circumstances.
2) EasyJet were very happy to charge islanders up to £700 for a return flight to Liverpool when there was restricted availability following the collapse of Flybe.
3) Flight timings to and from London are scheduled to make use of additional pilot hours after or before more lucrative flights so the Isle of Man scheduled timings are very poor.
Whilst believe they have some role to play to connect people ( likely mostly holidaymakers) who want to travel on to Europe they are by no means the answer for the island now or in the future. An alternative plan to provide greater connectivity for the island and in particular London is urgently needed.
2) The booking engine saw a sudden spike in demand once Flybe collapsed, computer booking systems all over the world use similar price algorithms to automatically adjust prices on demand.
3) I think the planes are not always Gatwick based so do a leg before hand. You think they should dedicate a 189 seat plane for a 7AM arrival and use one of those prized rush hour slots at Gatwick? Perhaps IOM Gov should approach EZY to overnight in IOM, do an early LGW and back then perhaps BFS, LUT or BRS before the evening LGW, it would be good to get some local engineers doing overnight line maintenance on an Airbus and base some crew...........ain't gonna happen.
The Dash-8 was the right plane with the wrong operator. I don't know the answer and I doubt any airline would be totally interested at the moment with bigger problems around for them at the moment.
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I agree with your points exactly no they will never overnight a plane as you say it’s never going to happen hence why I say they are not the answer . They have some role but the island needs more than just this especially to London .
At least Loganair did step in help or no help and added in Manchester too . I am certain EasyJet would not have helped out in those difficult times at all and left the Isle of Man stranded .
And I am more than familiar with airline algorithms but it still does not make it right . I cannot believe it’s not possible to intervene in exceptional circumstances someone somewhere at EasyJet would have known what was happening looked the other way and took no action it was totally wrong !
At least Loganair did step in help or no help and added in Manchester too . I am certain EasyJet would not have helped out in those difficult times at all and left the Isle of Man stranded .
And I am more than familiar with airline algorithms but it still does not make it right . I cannot believe it’s not possible to intervene in exceptional circumstances someone somewhere at EasyJet would have known what was happening looked the other way and took no action it was totally wrong !