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Old 5th Mar 2020, 19:13
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
That is not correct. Part of their business is ACMI (the E190s and the operation at IOM), but another part (flights from SEN) is/was a straightforward franchise operation run by Stobart at its own commercial risk.
I think their ORK EI operation is also run at their own commercial risk, but what I think is being alluded to is that they do no at present have their own booking engine/DCS system or even a public profile.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 19:20
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Originally Posted by flyerguy View Post
Exactly, a franchise. No experience of own in house ops like entire in house.
Except when they were Aer Arran...
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 19:21
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The 3 ATRs GPO/GPN/GPP are set to go to Chorus Aviation Capital I believe along with 5 Dash 8s so unless there being leased back to stobart. I don’t see stobart being a part of the ops.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 20:27
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Originally Posted by flyerguy View Post
Exactly, a franchise. No experience of own in house ops like entire in house.
You mean like the other Flybe franchises - Eastern Airways and Blue Islands?

Franchise = a regular airline paying another airline for the use of its (better known) brand and (more efficient) marketing infrastructure. The only problem Stobart should have is the lack of distribution channels as their "other" operation is also a franchise (Aer Lingus). They could, of course, run the flights under the Aer Lingus brand if that contract is not route-specific and/or allows domestic flying in the UK as well (which I doubt).
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 20:47
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Originally Posted by rhutch28 View Post
Think it's a choice between, ( for the Liverpool, Manchester & Birmingham flights)
1) easyJet
2) Stobart Air
3) Loganair
4) Eastern Airways
Surely EasyJet’s planes are too large? Eastern doesn’t have the capacity. I don’t see many options myself.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 20:57
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Originally Posted by vlieger View Post
Surely EasyJet’s planes are too large? Eastern doesn’t have the capacity. I don’t see many options myself.
My bet would be Loganair
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 21:03
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Originally Posted by vlieger View Post
Surely EasyJet’s planes are too large? Eastern doesn’t have the capacity. I don’t see many options myself.
Easyjet operate from LPL, BFS, BRS and LGW.

Think people have a misconception about the size of the airport, remember some aircraft are registered with M- which is the Manx country code as it is a self governing crown dependency
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 21:04
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Originally Posted by awwdabaaby View Post
Easyjet operate from LPL, BFS, BRS and LGW.

Think people have a misconception about the size of the airport, remember some aircraft are registered with M- which is the Manx country code as it is a self governing crown dependency
Dont think Easyjet have any M- registered aircraft
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 21:15
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Originally Posted by awwdabaaby View Post
Easyjet operate from LPL, BFS, BRS and LGW.

Think people have a misconception about the size of the airport, remember some aircraft are registered with M- which is the Manx country code as it is a self governing crown dependency
I meant more for the hospital flights: morning flight and evening flight. A319 is overkill for that and an ATR is ideal.
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Old 5th Mar 2020, 21:22
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Originally Posted by flyerguy View Post
My bet would be Loganair
Do Loganair have enough planes to operate the services or would it mean they have to wet lease some more?
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 05:06
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Originally Posted by IOMX View Post
I honestly don't see the fascination with Easy Jet they will only be interested in dropping in flights to suit the rest of their network and there is virtually no chance they would leave an aircraft overnight to allow for an early start. The island needs a regular well timed service that is reliable and efficient lets hope sense prevails and that's who is chosen.
Or put up tax and ticket prices to pay for it. Every day I see cheap flights go over my head. It will not last. With radar approach closed so much these days, who will fly here? Welcome to 2020.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 08:40
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For those that have such a great view of Easy Jet worth noting that they are currently charging on one day one leg to Liverpool £281.99!!!!!! I appreciate its supply and demand led but I honestly think that is quite ridiculous and not at all supportive of the island. I have said it before be careful what you wish for with Easy Jet inconvenient times and sky high prices when the island is in difficulty!
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 08:46
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Just watched an interview with the chief minister..... said they’d be no update until next week. And pretty much said there was no back up plan.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 09:37
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Originally Posted by flyerguy View Post
Just watched an interview with the chief minister..... said they’d be no update until next week. And pretty much said there was no back up plan.
This doesn't surprise me. I can't see a replacement happening any time soon. Travel to and from the island is about to get very expensive. So much for the "free market" providing.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 09:41
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Originally Posted by flyerguy View Post
Just watched an interview with the chief minister..... said they’d be no update until next week. And pretty much said there was no back up plan.
Interesting. It was an involved minister that told me last night that they expected to announce something this AM.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 09:42
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Originally Posted by JSCL View Post
Interesting. It was an involved minister that told me last night that they expected to announce something this AM.
Yeah, if you go on Manx TV on YouTube last minute he says nothing until next week!
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 09:42
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You only have to look at the prom to see the manx government are a bit Spanish with there pace of life
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 11:17
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Originally Posted by vlieger View Post
This doesn't surprise me. I can't see a replacement happening any time soon. Travel to and from the island is about to get very expensive. So much for the "free market" providing.
I'm surprised the Manx government haven't yet used the Steam Packet (who were nationalised in 2018) to start Manannan's season of running a few weeks early to at least provide alternative options for those travelling to/from Liverpool without relying on the infrequent easyJet schedule.

I appreciate Flybe's collapse was difficult to anticipate as all the noises up until the start of this week indicated its future was safe, but from an outsider's perspective the ferry option is something the government could do to make life easier and maintain a daily transport connection to Liverpool. That said, I don't know how quickly the Steam Packet can mobilise Manannan into service, though they've managed in previous winters if Ben-my-Chree was unavailable for whatever reason.
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 11:18
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Originally Posted by flyerguy View Post
You only have to look at the prom to see the manx government are a bit Spanish with there pace of life
The phrase you're looking for is "traa dy liooar" (English translation: time enough).
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 11:22
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I'm surprised the Manx government haven't yet used the Steam Packet (who were nationalised in 2018) to start Manannan's season of running a few weeks early to at least provide alternative options for those travelling to/from Liverpool without relying on the infrequent easyJet schedule.

I appreciate Flybe's collapse was difficult to anticipate as all the noises up until the start of this week indicated its future was safe, but from an outsider's perspective the ferry option is something the government could do to make life easier and maintain a daily transport connection to Liverpool. That said, I don't know how quickly the Steam Packet can mobilise Manannan into service, though they've managed in previous winters if Ben-my-Chree was unavailable for whatever reason.
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