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Old 1st Apr 2020, 13:48
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just on Sky News just now:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ilout-11966892
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 14:18
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All the money is in Necter Island
"Necker" Island......
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Old 1st Apr 2020, 23:33
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In one letter, John Harrison, general counsel and UK chairman of Airbus, warned that Virgin Atlantic's "collapse could have an extremely negative impact on the A330 [aircraft manufacturing] programme".
They only have 14 of them. Kind of stretching the truth somewhat ain't they?
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 03:12
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They only have 14 of them. Kind of stretching the truth somewhat ain't they?
They've got NEO's on order......https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/pres...expansion.html
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 07:20
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Originally Posted by MCDU2 View Post
They only have 14 of them. Kind of stretching the truth somewhat ain't they?
i think there are far more airlines out there with outstanding orders for A330s. If Virgin are such an important customer to either Airbus or Rolls then I think they should be helping Virgin stay afloat not the UK gov and ultimately the tax payer. If I was airbus I would be far more worried about the number of orders which are likely to be cancelled as airlines try to preserve cash and aim to return to profitability.
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Old 2nd Apr 2020, 22:56
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Every company is pullin gevery 'string' they can lay their hands on. The job of the senior mgmt is to keep the company going. Given that no one has experience of this situation, they will keep trying every possible option.

No criticism as they are doing their job. They have a door opened or not - but they have to ring those bells.

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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 09:01
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Plus 8 A350-1000's due over the next 18 months, some of which intended to replace the 747's.
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 09:02
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Originally Posted by spacedog View Post
i think there are far more airlines out there with outstanding orders for A330s. If Virgin are such an important customer to either Airbus or Rolls then I think they should be helping Virgin stay afloat not the UK gov and ultimately the tax payer. If I was airbus I would be far more worried about the number of orders which are likely to be cancelled as airlines try to preserve cash and aim to return to profitability.
Didn't Boeing come to the aid of Monarch in 2016 when they had the MAX's on order?

Whilst they've not ordered as many aircraft as some other airlines, it's fair to say that VS have been good customers of both Airbus and Rolls-Royce over the last 30 years. Apart from the A340-300's and 747-400's, all the other new widebody aircraft VS have bought have been fitted with RR engines.

You make a good point about Airbus needing to be worried about likely deferrals/cancellations. That's why it's not in their interests to see VS fail as they would then have 22 widebody aircraft becoming white tails or never built. Same for any other airline for that matter.
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 09:06
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Originally Posted by PAXboy View Post
Every company is pullin gevery 'string' they can lay their hands on. The job of the senior mgmt is to keep the company going. Given that no one has experience of this situation, they will keep trying every possible option.

No criticism as they are doing their job. They have a door opened or not - but they have to ring those bells.
And if two of your major suppliers and an airport where most of your operations are prepared to show their support and apply pressure, you would be silly not to leverage it.

I also like to think we're behind the days when Laker were finally forced out of business due to McDonnell-Douglas and GE withdrawing their rescue package because other airlines threatened to never buy their products again if they went through with it.
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 10:01
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And if two of your major suppliers and an airport where most of your operations are prepared to show their support and apply pressure, you would be silly not to leverage it.

I also like to think we're behind the days when Laker were finally forced out of business due to McDonnell-Douglas and GE withdrawing their rescue package because other airlines threatened to never buy their products again if they went through with it.
You are being a bit simplistic there. The McDonnell Douglas rescue plan for Laker was that McD would become a part-owner of Laker. The other airlines then said, if McD owned Laker, they could no longer discuss confidential business with them as McD would also be a competitor.
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 19:03
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Airbus has donated 400k facemasks to the NHS and offered up free flights to bring in other goods needed.

Talk about lobbying...?
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Old 3rd Apr 2020, 19:25
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Airbus has donated 400k facemasks to the NHS and offered up free flights to bring in other goods needed.

Talk about lobbying...?
They've done the same for other nations with key production facilities.
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Old 4th Apr 2020, 21:32
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Originally Posted by JSCL View Post
Airbus has donated 400k facemasks to the NHS and offered up free flights to bring in other goods needed.

Talk about lobbying...?
Whats the alternative ?
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Old 5th Apr 2020, 07:05
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Hardly lobbying Airbus were asked by the EU it they would collect vital medical supplies and of cause they said yes on humanitarian grounds .

Even little Eire are taking part in the airlift - been sending 3 A330s to and from Beijing for several days collecting supplies !

By the way our pathetic government initially turned down an EU invitation to receive some of this gift aid - Pratt’s
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Old 8th Apr 2020, 13:58
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Those three flights are going freight only for from 21st April for a minimum of 6 days...
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 12:04
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Grrr

By the way our pathetic government initially turned down an EU invitation to receive some of this gift aid - Prattís

When did we re-join the EU? Have I missed something?
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 12:17
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By the way our pathetic government initially turned down an EU invitation to receive some of this gift aid - Prattís

When did we re-join the EU? Have I missed something?
Yeah. Google it.
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 12:24
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear View Post
By the way our pathetic government initially turned down an EU invitation to receive some of this gift aid - Prattís

When did we re-join the EU? Have I missed something?
Clearly, yes. Other non-EU nations participated. If you donít want supply of equipment up to and including ventilators purely ideologically because itís an EU scheme may I respectfully suggest should you fall ill you decline treatment until such time as everyone else has been treated.
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 13:36
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
Clearly, yes. Other non-EU nations participated. If you donít want supply of equipment up to and including ventilators purely ideologically because itís an EU scheme may I respectfully suggest should you fall ill you decline treatment until such time as everyone else has been treated.
spot on! I wonder if Boris did the same...
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Old 9th Apr 2020, 15:12
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In the current transition period the UK remains entitled to All the benefits and financial obligations of EU membership however has surrendered any political and indeed democratic accountability,
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