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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 11:12
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Flew with them from DUB to PMI twice back in 08 & 09, sad to see them go.
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 16:02
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Originally Posted by True Blue
If this airline was in such a tight corner finance wise, why were they busy announcing new bases/ routes from several European airports? That I just don't get.
Chances are TrueBlue that they were lining up backers/securing sources of finance that they hoped would materialise in the 11th hour, so they carried on business as usual to create hinges for the new ac coming on stream. These sort of airlines need to keep expanding and delivering for economies of scale. When they slow down growth rates, it can pose particular challenges.

What they were attempting to do was based on the premise that they would quite soon turn a good yield on TA business, but a bit like Norwegian Air International that dial didn't turn in the right direction fast enough.

On a related note, what are the implications of this on Norwegian Air International? Bound to be a ripple effect in terms of investor/ market confidence?
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 17:07
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Originally Posted by True Blue
If this airline was in such a tight corner finance wise, why were they busy announcing new bases/ routes from several European airports? That I just don't get.
There were rumors of a tie in/interline agreement with JetBlue on the cards. Opening or Announcing Frankfurt and Paris might have been a move to encourage that partnership or and least make it more viable. That would have opened up markets for both airlines but I guess the cash ran out too fast
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Originally Posted by USERNAME_
Gut wrenching reading that our crews stranded downroute are paying out of their own pockets (IAD/NYC/YYZ-LON) to get themselves home.

Absolutely disgusting, and not cheap either. All phone lines to the company no longer work, just left to fight for themselves.
Do other carriers not assist in these scenarios? I’m sure I’ve heard before of stranded crew being repatriated through goodwill
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 17:42
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Do other carriers not assist in these scenarios? I’m sure I’ve heard before of stranded crew being repatriated through goodwill
Virgin are honouring Primera tickets from all american airports primera flew too. Wow also flying stranded staff home
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YL-PSI just landed at Shannon from Copenhagen. They didn’t waste time eh
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 07:39
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Originally Posted by snn20
Virgin are honouring Primera tickets from all american airports primera flew too. Wow also flying stranded staff home
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Nice gestures, especially for the stranded staff -
BA kindly flew me home from LAX in 1982 on my (now worthless) staff travel ticket when Laker GK went bust the day after I arrived
Thanks BA, and I was put in Club!
I think Pan Am or BCAL flew the GK crews home?
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 10:57
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Originally Posted by USERNAME_
YL-PSI just landed at Shannon from Copenhagen. They didn’t waste time eh
Owners of aircraft want them back, hardly a surprise.
The Leasing Company will be responsible for paying costs at Airports once they regain posession
hence get them back to base ASAP.
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Nice gestures, especially for the stranded staff -
BA kindly flew me home from LAX in 1982 on my (now worthless) staff travel ticket when Laker GK went bust the day after I arrived
Thanks BA, and I was put in Club!
I think Pan Am or BCAL flew the GK crews home?
Aside from being a decent thing to do it also sends a positive message
1.) to existing staff that you look after people
2.) to potentially new staff whom you may be giving a lift home to but who
could be working for you in a month or two.

Cost in reality is a little bit of extra fuel, PR benefit can not be bought.
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Some very strange goings on at the moment.
STN and CPH staff (Scandinavia) haven’t been informed of any kind of contract termination whereas ARN and RIX crew have (Nordic).
YL-PSI(Nordic) positioned to Shannon last night. Nordic HQ and OPS in Riga taken over by Administrators yesterday but Scandinavian ops in CPH still got staff in.

and apparently the company hasn’t even filed for Bankruptcy yet, despite them claiming to do it on the 2nd.

Crew rosters are also having random flights added/removed or crew being added and removed.


All very odd.

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Originally Posted by USERNAME_
Some very strange goings on at the moment.
STN and CPH staff (Scandinavia) haven’t been informed of any kind of contract termination whereas ARN and RIX crew have (Nordic).
YL-PSI(Nordic) positioned to Shannon last night. Nordic HQ and OPS in Riga taken over by Administrators yesterday but Scandinavian ops in CPH still got staff in.

and apparently the company hasn’t even filed for Bankruptcy yet, despite them claiming to do it on the 2nd.

Crew rosters are also having random flights added/removed or crew being added and removed.


All very odd.
Is the trans Atlantic flights operated by the Nordic airline?
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
Is the trans Atlantic flights operated by the Nordic airline?
Scandinavia.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 20:25
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I flew out of STN today and I believe I saw 4 Primera aircraft parked behind Harrods.
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Danish cabin crew union say Primera are not bankrupt, and have not filed for bankruptcy.

Have until the 16th to sort this situation out.

Crews told to prepare to be called out with 24 hours notice.


What on on earth is going on.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 22:17
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It looks like a retreat back into their core operation. If the Airbus operation has been done through an employment agency and goodness only knows what to sell the tickets then some of the smart people should be able to seperate the entities to continue the opetation. Excel Fr kept going as did Air Europa when their parents went bust.
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Old 3rd Oct 2018, 22:18
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Originally Posted by USERNAME_
Danish cabin crew union say Primera are not bankrupt, and have not filed for bankruptcy.

Have until the 16th to sort this situation out.

Crews told to prepare to be called out with 24 hours notice.


What on on earth is going on.
Even if that was the case and attempted to start services again, they are at the point of no return. Crew and passengers will not forgive them nor trust them again.
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Old 4th Oct 2018, 06:51
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Some ex PRI a/c on the move from STN today...

The B738 to SNN.
2x A321N to ZRH.
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Old 4th Oct 2018, 10:50
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Originally Posted by _aax1
Even if that was the case and attempted to start services again, they are at the point of no return. Crew and passengers will not forgive them nor trust them again.
Not convinced on that........

Crew............... happy to still have a job and be paid, yes its risky but so is every job but keeping looking for something different, new hires............. desperate to get into the industry so even if last a year I have a years experience.

Pax................... What is price ? Book by CC to ensure get money back, Make sure I have travel insurance.
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Originally Posted by tubby linton
It looks like a retreat back into their core operation. If the Airbus operation has been done through an employment agency and goodness only knows what to sell the tickets then some of the smart people should be able to seperate the entities to continue the opetation. Excel Fr kept going as did Air Europa when their parents went bust.
Well done on reaching 2000 posts

I agree with your synopsis.
Some part are profitable and some are not.
Receivers role is to separate them which easy as will all be Ltd companys and try and keep profitable going.
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Old 4th Oct 2018, 11:22
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Originally Posted by racedo
Not convinced on that........

Crew............... happy to still have a job and be paid, yes its risky but so is every job but keeping looking for something different, new hires............. desperate to get into the industry so even if last a year I have a years experience.

Pax................... What is price ? Book by CC to ensure get money back, Make sure I have travel insurance.
I'm talking about their LH crew. Who in their right mind who go back to an airline that left them stranded abroad, and haven't paid them? There's no shortage of crew or flight deck jobs across Europe.

The industry is at over capacity and the vast majority of their routes have competitors where prices are at rock bottom, would you book with an airline that has cut all operations, declared/not declared bankruptcy? But it's okay, i'll take the risk because i'll pay on a credit card? We're at a time where airlines are doing everything possible to build loyalty in a market that is completely price driven. They will have zero loyalty.
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