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nothing concrete, the email said “in the coming weeks”. Only things we know are the same flights that operated this summer (ALC, AGP, EWR, BOS, IAD, YYZ) are all 100% returning, and with an additional 738, and 2 based MAX9’s, we are rumoured to be starting flights to Egypt(Hurghada I would imagine), Montreal, Cape Verde and Orlando among others.
but time will tell I guess.
but time will tell I guess.
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nothing concrete, the email said “in the coming weeks”. Only things we know are the same flights that operated this summer (ALC, AGP, EWR, BOS, IAD, YYZ) are all 100% returning, and with an additional 738, and 2 based MAX9’s, we are rumoured to be starting flights to Egypt(Hurghada I would imagine), Montreal, Cape Verde and Orlando among others.
but time will tell I guess.
good to know same as this year will be back.
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All appear to under estimate the A321N & next the A321LR...they are formidable market making aircraft.
The A321LR is aimed precisely at the mid market B757 capability.
Test flights conducted earlier in the year by Airbus equated to (including headwinds) 162 pax over 4,700 miles with 5 crew & 11 engineers aboard,flown in just under 11 hours.
STN-MCO = 4,400 miles in an average flight time of 8.37.
With TCX withdrawing STN-MCO for 2019 it looks as tho PRI can see a opportunity.
The A321LR is aimed precisely at the mid market B757 capability.
Test flights conducted earlier in the year by Airbus equated to (including headwinds) 162 pax over 4,700 miles with 5 crew & 11 engineers aboard,flown in just under 11 hours.
STN-MCO = 4,400 miles in an average flight time of 8.37.
With TCX withdrawing STN-MCO for 2019 it looks as tho PRI can see a opportunity.
The 757 could never do UK-Orlando non-stop on a planned basis - it only worked out OK with especially favourable winds on a very small number of occasions. You generally could get back to Scotland or the north of England non-stop from Orlando. If the 321LR is a better aircraft than the 757 then it might manage it, but I would have some serious doubts that this is a runner.
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It will be interesting then...
Test flying with the A321LR by Airbus indicates a superior range to the `75 actually.
Much doubt concerning the A321N on TATL before commencement but ops appear clockwork & effortless.
Also doubt that PRI would have ETOP`s on the A321N "out of the box",but again unfounded.
The clue with MCO may well be the market is vacated by TCX next summer after several years ops.
Interesting times.
Test flying with the A321LR by Airbus indicates a superior range to the `75 actually.
Much doubt concerning the A321N on TATL before commencement but ops appear clockwork & effortless.
Also doubt that PRI would have ETOP`s on the A321N "out of the box",but again unfounded.
The clue with MCO may well be the market is vacated by TCX next summer after several years ops.
Interesting times.
The 757 could never do UK-Orlando non-stop on a planned basis - it only worked out OK with especially favourable winds on a very small number of occasions. You generally could get back to Scotland or the north of England non-stop from Orlando. If the 321LR is a better aircraft than the 757 then it might manage it, but I would have some serious doubts that this is a runner.
All Westbounds without exception in my time went via 'somewhere' - stopping in Bangor or Gander for fuel and usually, a crew change.
A few Eastbounds IIRC made GLA or MAN non-stop back from MCO
HGW 757's at 115 tonnes MTOW with 223 or 228 seats
I will be amazed if the A321N/LR with 220 pax can do STN-MCO westbound nonstop
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Whilst I am certain we will not be carrying 220 pax on the LRs when they finally arrive (more like 198-206), STN-MCO is a big ask westbound with anything more than light headwinds. Its certainly a capable machine though and will make non-stop routes like CDG-YYZ during the winter quite easily.
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....... and then there is the need to carry sensible alternate fuel when you pitch up on the east coast of N America during the winter - let alone the ability to hold at destination.
Sensible alternates can be considerable distances when the weather is against you - I once heard someone, inbound to JFK, diverting to Miami. It may have been for company reasons (the diversion to MIA) but there wasn’t much choice in the top right quarter of the US that day.
Sensible alternates can be considerable distances when the weather is against you - I once heard someone, inbound to JFK, diverting to Miami. It may have been for company reasons (the diversion to MIA) but there wasn’t much choice in the top right quarter of the US that day.
The issue isn’t whether you reduce payload but the max fuel tank capacity. Even if you take passengers off, you can’t get more fuel on as the tanks are full.
For a 757, IIRC the tank capacity was 34.4 tonnes. With a burn of over 3 tonnes an hour and diversion fuel, contingency and final reserve, you can’t fly for more than about eight hours and potentially less if you have a long alternate.
The 321LR burn will be better with the newer engines but tank capacity lower?
I cant see this thing making it to Orlando from Stansted. It’s a 9h30 airborne at an A321 cruise speed and if MCO is forecasting afternoon TS activity then SFB is no use as an alternate and you need fuel for TPA or MLB. I don’t know the aircraft well but I can’t see this working.
For a 757, IIRC the tank capacity was 34.4 tonnes. With a burn of over 3 tonnes an hour and diversion fuel, contingency and final reserve, you can’t fly for more than about eight hours and potentially less if you have a long alternate.
The 321LR burn will be better with the newer engines but tank capacity lower?
I cant see this thing making it to Orlando from Stansted. It’s a 9h30 airborne at an A321 cruise speed and if MCO is forecasting afternoon TS activity then SFB is no use as an alternate and you need fuel for TPA or MLB. I don’t know the aircraft well but I can’t see this working.
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I made it back to LGW non-stop in a Caledonian 757 and we arrived something like 90 mins early. Perhaps that day was exceptional weather. I remember being disappointed our stop in Bangor got cancelled.
Do you recall the flight time?
I came back from MCO to LGW on a very windy night on a Britannia 767-200 that my pal Clive was flying and we got home in just over 7 hours.
Back to Primera Ops - I guess we will follow this subject with great interest especially as KyleRB is a 'driver' there - I wonder if he and his boys and girls will get to sample the Bangor fun on a regular basis!
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