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Hang on...has Facebook gazumped the CAA?? Possibly..surely if an airfield is closing for a few months it should be notamed to all?? Still can’t find it...
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Isn't that one of the major problems of the NOTAM system - no advance warning, only on the day. Too bad if you'd been planning a trip to Carlisle for months.
Also no mention on the airport's website which is pretty pathetic.
Also no mention on the airport's website which is pretty pathetic.
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If we'd actually built another couple of runways at Heathrow a lot of those airports along with the likes of Dundee, Humberside, Teeside probably would have routes there. Just as Paris is linked to everywhere imaginable in France that is beyond a two hour drive. Economically some of our communities would be in much better shape due to global connectivity and wider links with the capital.
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That's very true indeed. But our politicians are crippled by the paralysis of only wanting to do something that won't cause ill effects to anyone anywhere while ignoring the greater ill effects of doing nothing, which I include as one of the many reasons it can't happen (also APD).
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Based on reading the planning application, it seems that a terminal under 500sq/m in size doesn't require planning permission and consultation. The new terminal is 486 sq/m.
They're building it as small as possible to force it through the planning system as easily as possible.
If flights from Carlisle are a success, then they'll expand as needed, and should stand a better chance of getting planning permission, as it would technically be an extension rather than a new build facility.
So far everything is being done as cheaply, and with as much government money as possible. Very little risk to Stobart if it fails.
They're building it as small as possible to force it through the planning system as easily as possible.
If flights from Carlisle are a success, then they'll expand as needed, and should stand a better chance of getting planning permission, as it would technically be an extension rather than a new build facility.
So far everything is being done as cheaply, and with as much government money as possible. Very little risk to Stobart if it fails.
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If they can get the timetable for the flights right, and the right prices then am sure things could work out for them. After all the train from Carlisle to London Euston takes anywhere between 3hr 22mins and 4hr 31mins.
So good luck to it all.....
So good luck to it all.....
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Runway Closure
Great business sense by not doing the runway in stages, a lot of Carlisle training aircraft hangared up in Blackpool, a mere 100mile trip to fly. How much will that hurt the home based Flying schools.
1 x GA aircraft probably generates between 6 and 10k in revenue to the airport in landing fees and fuel, even thou most obtain fuel from Kirkbride due to it being considerably cheaper.
Pax flights without a subsidy would bankrupt the airport, like it did to Blackpool. Low cost airlines would pay no landing or navigation charges, and would want paying for each passenger that got off at Carlisle.
Larger aircraft would require extra fire, security cover etc, that means greater costs for the airport operator. Freight would be the only real option.
1 x GA aircraft probably generates between 6 and 10k in revenue to the airport in landing fees and fuel, even thou most obtain fuel from Kirkbride due to it being considerably cheaper.
Pax flights without a subsidy would bankrupt the airport, like it did to Blackpool. Low cost airlines would pay no landing or navigation charges, and would want paying for each passenger that got off at Carlisle.
Larger aircraft would require extra fire, security cover etc, that means greater costs for the airport operator. Freight would be the only real option.
1 x GA aircraft probably generates between 6 and 10k in revenue to the airport in landing fees and fuel
Larger aircraft would require extra fire, security cover etc, that means greater costs for the airport operator
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And how long, and how much is it going to cost, to travel from downtown Carlisle to CAX, perhaps an absolute minimum 30 minute check-in, a 1hr 20min sector CAX/SEN, deboarding then an average 10-15 walk & wait for a train, and then a 1hr (ish) train journey in to a London terminus?
I'd suggest that a 3hr 22min train journey would be quicker and probably cheaper!
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downtown Carlisle
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Airportplanner - extra runways at LHR will cost a fortune and the airlines will have to pay. They aren't going to be interested in 50 pax to Carlisle or Dundee. It'll be every hour on the hour to JFK.
same as yr local multiplex 20 screens and everyone thinks you'll get all sorts of arty movies... but what you get is 15 screens showing Batman v. Thor v. Paddington starting every 15 minutes.....
same as yr local multiplex 20 screens and everyone thinks you'll get all sorts of arty movies... but what you get is 15 screens showing Batman v. Thor v. Paddington starting every 15 minutes.....
