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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 15:53
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The airfield was redeveloped using £4.75 million of government funding.
The “terminal” is a small part of the new Stobart office building associated with its new warehousing.
Failure to go-ahead with scheduled services would have minimal financial effect on the Stobart Group.
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 16:07
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The airfield was redeveloped using £4.75 million of government funding.
Wasn't this match funding for the runway, so Stobart have put in at least as much.
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 21:28
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A great GA airfield..And thats it.

Never worked in the past for scheduled daily flights and (in my opinion). Won’t work in the future.
However what a great logistics base for someone?
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 12:25
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https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...flybe-airline/
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 12:26
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If stobart was to buy Flybe, there would be no need for Loganair at CAX airport.
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Old 14th Nov 2018, 12:54
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Why - what would they use? Stobart have already said their ATR's are currently too big for CAX ops
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Old 2nd Dec 2018, 19:19
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Still no sign of the Carlisle flights being put on sale by Loganair......has the start date been put back?
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Old 29th Dec 2018, 17:55
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Nearly a month since last post.

Any news re start up dates?Time moving on.
Passed by yesterday..all lights blazing..no movements though! Hope just an electrics test and they didn’t forget to switch off on way home for Xmas!
The local tax payers wouldn’t be too happy?

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Announcement expected soon
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Announcement expected soon
As the last announcement was for flights to start in Spring 2019, you'd hope so

The local tax payers wouldn’t be too happy?
Why, what have they got to do with it? There is no local authority involvement in the running of the airport.
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The airport received £4.75 million government funding towards the redevelopment.
Governments receive a large proportion of their income through taxation.
So yes the local taxpayers have (involuntarily) contributed to this ‘white elephant’ project and have reason to feel aggrieved.
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So yes the local taxpayers have (involuntarily) contributed to this ‘white elephant’ project and have reason to feel aggrieved.
So tax payers should have direct input into what gets funded and how it operates - interesting approach...
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Originally Posted by highwideandugly
Passed by yesterday..all lights blazing..no movements though! Hope just an electrics test and they didn’t forget to switch off on way home for Xmas!
The airport was open on Friday, perhaps you passed by too quickly to see any movements.
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Originally Posted by mikeygd
The airport was open on Friday, perhaps you passed by too quickly to see any movements.
I took a tour of the airport a few months back. Here's a few photos I took from the airport:



New control tower. I've never heard this mentioned anywhere, and it certainly wasn't in the original plans, but they've built a new control tower on top of the terminal. The current plan is to get operations up and running first, then later this year switch from the old to new control tower.



"VIP" lounge. There's a door to the left when you enter the terminal, labelled "VIP Lounge" or similar. Currently this is a large space, with sofas in one corner (pictured), plus a seating area for presentations. This area might be re-structured, as its proving popular for doing presentations and events.


I'm sure this should say "Delayed - Spring 2019" :-P


Departure gate and waiting area, taken from security. Security area is about the same size as the departure area. All very small, but designed more so that you wait pre-security, then clear security right as its time to board, then straight on the plane.


Immigration desk, and baggage belt.

It's all very small and compact, but for the amount of flights planned, its more than adequate. The VIP lounge looks nice, I hope this is open for all passengers, it seems more than large enough, and is more like a hotel lobby than anything else. I dont think Loganair offer business class, do they? Otherwise passengers will be asked to wait in the cafe area, which is rather basic.


The terminal is already accepting flights... as we were getting the tour, this king air arrived, en-route to Wick.
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I believe the control tower was very much a last minute addition (and has restricted views?) - certainly wasn't in the original plans. Will there be further training required for any move?

Time is certainly running on for the announcement of any flights in spring (though I suppose if you can close a runway with a couple of days notice.... )
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Great pictures..Nighthawk..

However reminds me of the recent Sir Michael Palin..feature on North Korea and the airport with no flights!

Sorry..still can’t see it..and no real PR coming out of the owners?

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Old 13th Jan 2019, 16:22
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Still no sign of seats going on sale yet...nothing on Loganair website.
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Old 13th Jan 2019, 17:13
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Loganair

Well it's looking doubtful , one would have thought that bookings would need to start being taken.
That said the sudden addition of a Jersey route at HUY at random , and the out of usual timing of releasing timetables and bookings for the sadly short lived MME where at short notice .
It's possible, but still makes me laugh how that Stobart ' manager ' , ( Had Stobart Air ID ) told us that they'd offered , easyJet the sane deal they'd offered at Southend ( Eg free ).
Maybe he was unaware of the planning restrictions unless they plan to alter it .
But as for filling one when they can't even get Loganair to start makes me think he'd been smoking something .
Especially his next remark " we are talking to another Irish Carrier ", and others .
Well the runway might be long enough , it has not got the Nav aids has it? And last time I was there taking progress photos of the runway , I looked to the other side of the lane against the end of the runway furthest from the Tower and no sign. Of approach lights( unless I missed them ).
I think it would be a real kick in the teeth for Cumbria , as it does have potential to bring in inbound tourism via Southend .
( Quicker than rail but again. Still a long way from the lakes ).
Would they have better upgrading Walney ? At least that is on the edge of the lakes .
I find it odd they use Carlisle ' lake District' Airport as the name .
As for Loganair , they do t seem to operate like other airlines so your as well burning a fiver rather than placing a bet on flights this year !.
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Originally Posted by EGPO
Well it's looking doubtful , one would have thought that bookings would need to start being taken.
That said the sudden addition of a Jersey route at HUY at random , and the out of usual timing of releasing timetables and bookings for the sadly short lived MME where at short notice .
It's possible, but still makes me laugh how that Stobart ' manager ' , ( Had Stobart Air ID ) told us that they'd offered , easyJet the sane deal they'd offered at Southend ( Eg free ).
Maybe he was unaware of the planning restrictions unless they plan to alter it .
But as for filling one when they can't even get Loganair to start makes me think he'd been smoking something .
Especially his next remark " we are talking to another Irish Carrier ", and others .
Well the runway might be long enough , it has not got the Nav aids has it? And last time I was there taking progress photos of the runway , I looked to the other side of the lane against the end of the runway furthest from the Tower and no sign. Of approach lights( unless I missed them ).
I think it would be a real kick in the teeth for Cumbria , as it does have potential to bring in inbound tourism via Southend .
( Quicker than rail but again. Still a long way from the lakes ).
Would they have better upgrading Walney ? At least that is on the edge of the lakes .
I find it odd they use Carlisle ' lake District' Airport as the name .
As for Loganair , they do t seem to operate like other airlines so your as well burning a fiver rather than placing a bet on flights this year !.
Carlisle does indeed have approach lights, they were built a few months after the runway was opened to traffic.
The runway at Carlisle has quite a large displaced threshold, which reduces the usable runway length quite considerably. I'm not sure that it can physically accommodate a 737/A319 with the current displaced threshold - certainly not with any kind of meaningful load. Even if it could - the planning permission contained a restriction limiting aircraft type to "ATR72/Avro RJ100 or similar". That would need to be overturned before a 737 can operate from CAX.

I did indeed find it interesting that they mentioned they'd offered Easyjet a similar deal. They also mentioned they were talking to a few airlines about flights to Spain. A blatant lie, or does the left hand not know what the right is doing? It seems they are trying to sell something they legally cannot deliver. Either that or just lying to the community to try and get them on side...

I'm not sure what you mean by "As for Loganair , they do t seem to operate like other airlines " - can you elaborate on this?
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117
Carlisle does indeed have approach lights, they were built a few months after the runway was opened to traffic.
The runway at Carlisle has quite a large displaced threshold, which reduces the usable runway length quite considerably. I'm not sure that it can physically accommodate a 737/A319 with the current displaced threshold - certainly not with any kind of meaningful load. Even if it could - the planning permission contained a restriction limiting aircraft type to "ATR72/Avro RJ100 or similar". That would need to be overturned before a 737 can operate from CAX.

I did indeed find it interesting that they mentioned they'd offered Easyjet a similar deal. They also mentioned they were talking to a few airlines about flights to Spain. A blatant lie, or does the left hand not know what the right is doing? It seems they are trying to sell something they legally cannot deliver. Either that or just lying to the community to try and get them on side...

I'm not sure what you mean by "As for Loganair , they do t seem to operate like other airlines " - can you elaborate on this?
Just that Loganair seem to start new routes not necessarily at the traditional times iof year but are also , Having seen a few routes stopped , don't hang on to non viable routes for long .
Hence the situation at MME being a Shame, that might have worked had it been s flight to EDI or Gla, with onward travel to the rest of their Network ..

Sorry I'm not fully up on terminology , what is a ' Displaced threshold ', but I take it they could operate the A220 , as that has great short field performance ( when the locos start buying them ) , also the Embraer E jets.
Having seen plenty of flight videos both landing and taking ofc they don't use a lot of Runway , and I take it they would fall Into the RJ100 range given that it's a dying breed .
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