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General Manager of Carlisle stated yesterday at a local conference that the airline starting ops from CAX will be named in January...(negotiations with several)...Ops to commence in June`18 with minimum 2 daily to SEN/DUB & BRU...
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It's interesting that they are speaking to several other airlines to see who will operate the 3 planned routes. You would have thought that it would have been stobart air that would have been operating the flights. Least we only have to wait until the end of January to find out who the airline or airlines will be.
Does seem odd that it might not be Stobart flying between two Stobart airports - maybe the discussion is whether they will be Stobart in their own right or as a Flybe franchise or as an Aer Lingus franchise, or some other combination?
Who could be other candidates?
Who could be other candidates?
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Eastern have spare E170's now that Flybe have less work for them, would need to upsize other routes to free up the smaller aircraft to operate from CAX though
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He said: "I obviously can't mention any names but we are hoping to make an announcement about the start-up airline at the end of January."
With a capacity for 19 passengers... now we know why the terminal can only accommodate 20 passengers!
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Suppose it could be any other airline who offer ACMI, doesn't mean it has to be either loganair or Eastern. Could even be Stobart air. Just have to wait for the new year announcement I guess.
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I’m actually putting my hat in the ring for Firnas.
New start up that will be looking for incentives to help them start up. They have an emphasis of wanting to serve ‘unserved’ routes, will use the J41 so ideal for Carlisle and so on. They need to put their aircraft somewhere and can’t think of many other unserved UK domestic routes that would be an obvious fit for them?
Also, as this is a Stobart airport, why would they be so coy if Stobart Air were operating the routes, would hardly be a ‘didn’t see that one coming’ moment, would it?
New start up that will be looking for incentives to help them start up. They have an emphasis of wanting to serve ‘unserved’ routes, will use the J41 so ideal for Carlisle and so on. They need to put their aircraft somewhere and can’t think of many other unserved UK domestic routes that would be an obvious fit for them?
Also, as this is a Stobart airport, why would they be so coy if Stobart Air were operating the routes, would hardly be a ‘didn’t see that one coming’ moment, would it?
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If it's reportedly less than £100 per seat, presumably including all taxes so net quite significantly less than £100, how many passengers would a Jetstream need to break even.
Straight away I can think of crew & engineering accommodation and transport, maintenance, airport navigation, landing, parking and handling charges, in flight catering, Eurocontrol.
Straight away I can think of crew & engineering accommodation and transport, maintenance, airport navigation, landing, parking and handling charges, in flight catering, Eurocontrol.
Jetstream start-ups in the UK don't have a great record - when was the last successful one? Can't see why Stobart would take the risk (and don't Firnas have a J31?).
I had assumed that the Dublin link would be linked into the Aer Lingus franchise to allow interlining, if so presumably they would have an interest in what was being operated in their name also.
Also, doesn't this route have the regional fund subsidy - isn't that linked to a named airline?
I had assumed that the Dublin link would be linked into the Aer Lingus franchise to allow interlining, if so presumably they would have an interest in what was being operated in their name also.
Also, doesn't this route have the regional fund subsidy - isn't that linked to a named airline?
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The break even figure would be more than the number of seats of the Jetstream. One remembers the BEA Heralds operating the Scottish Highlands and Islands routes with 48 seats - break even 52!
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On the other hand I remember the Air UK Y44 F27's operating ABZ/SVG/BGO whereas the break even load factor was just 7 but then on their LBA/BFS route it might have been 30!
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