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Old 29th Nov 2017, 17:03
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I guess if someone else is funding almost 5m of the work for you its hard not to do it? It also makes that part of the project much more saleable
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 17:43
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Good point bad bear..makes you wonder what else the government is wasting our money on?
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 17:49
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Hang on...has Facebook gazumped the CAA?? Possibly..surely if an airfield is closing for a few months it should be notamed to all?? Still can’t find it...
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 18:13
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Enter December 1 (or later) in the NOTAM search facility and the relevant NOTAMs will appear
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Old 30th Nov 2017, 10:30
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Isn't that one of the major problems of the NOTAM system - no advance warning, only on the day. Too bad if you'd been planning a trip to Carlisle for months.

Also no mention on the airport's website which is pretty pathetic.
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Old 30th Nov 2017, 12:29
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Presume airport is still open for the residents? What about the resident Falcon?
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 01:31
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When talking with the management a few months back .
He said that is going to be going down to Southend for the Duration.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 05:57
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Thanks EGPO, when he first got it, it was at DTVA for a very short period.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 07:39
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ILS

Will the runways after completion of the works/realignment be fitted with ILS system.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 08:00
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Blackpool, Cambridge, Gloucester, Manston, Oxford, Plymouth, Sheffield, Shoreham, Swansea.

They would have flights to Amsterdam, Belfast and / or Dublin, and London or Edinburgh (depending on distance).
If we'd actually built another couple of runways at Heathrow a lot of those airports along with the likes of Dundee, Humberside, Teeside probably would have routes there. Just as Paris is linked to everywhere imaginable in France that is beyond a two hour drive. Economically some of our communities would be in much better shape due to global connectivity and wider links with the capital.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 08:41
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That's very true indeed. But our politicians are crippled by the paralysis of only wanting to do something that won't cause ill effects to anyone anywhere while ignoring the greater ill effects of doing nothing, which I include as one of the many reasons it can't happen (also APD).
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 13:11
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Based on reading the planning application, it seems that a terminal under 500sq/m in size doesn't require planning permission and consultation. The new terminal is 486 sq/m.

They're building it as small as possible to force it through the planning system as easily as possible.

If flights from Carlisle are a success, then they'll expand as needed, and should stand a better chance of getting planning permission, as it would technically be an extension rather than a new build facility.

So far everything is being done as cheaply, and with as much government money as possible. Very little risk to Stobart if it fails.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 14:01
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If they can get the timetable for the flights right, and the right prices then am sure things could work out for them. After all the train from Carlisle to London Euston takes anywhere between 3hr 22mins and 4hr 31mins.
So good luck to it all.....
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 22:48
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Runway Closure

Great business sense by not doing the runway in stages, a lot of Carlisle training aircraft hangared up in Blackpool, a mere 100mile trip to fly. How much will that hurt the home based Flying schools.

1 x GA aircraft probably generates between 6 and 10k in revenue to the airport in landing fees and fuel, even thou most obtain fuel from Kirkbride due to it being considerably cheaper.

Pax flights without a subsidy would bankrupt the airport, like it did to Blackpool. Low cost airlines would pay no landing or navigation charges, and would want paying for each passenger that got off at Carlisle.

Larger aircraft would require extra fire, security cover etc, that means greater costs for the airport operator. Freight would be the only real option.
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 05:48
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1 x GA aircraft probably generates between 6 and 10k in revenue to the airport in landing fees and fuel
How much of that is generated in Dec and Jan?


Larger aircraft would require extra fire, security cover etc, that means greater costs for the airport operator
As explained earlier in the thread, larger a/c aren't the aim - not allowed by planning permission and not viable through the new terminal/office block and apron
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 06:53
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Originally Posted by fjencl View Post
If they can get the timetable for the flights right, and the right prices then am sure things could work out for them. After all the train from Carlisle to London Euston takes anywhere between 3hr 22mins and 4hr 31mins.
So good luck to it all.....

And how long, and how much is it going to cost, to travel from downtown Carlisle to CAX, perhaps an absolute minimum 30 minute check-in, a 1hr 20min sector CAX/SEN, deboarding then an average 10-15 walk & wait for a train, and then a 1hr (ish) train journey in to a London terminus?

I'd suggest that a 3hr 22min train journey would be quicker and probably cheaper!
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 10:32
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downtown Carlisle
I don't think many people live in downtown Carlisle. The airport's catchment will be the whole of northern Cumbria and parts of Scotland and Northumberland so the difference in trannsport to the station or airport is probably limited, provided you travel by your own car.
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 12:50
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Airportplanner - extra runways at LHR will cost a fortune and the airlines will have to pay. They aren't going to be interested in 50 pax to Carlisle or Dundee. It'll be every hour on the hour to JFK.

same as yr local multiplex 20 screens and everyone thinks you'll get all sorts of arty movies... but what you get is 15 screens showing Batman v. Thor v. Paddington starting every 15 minutes.....
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 15:51
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Perhaps Stobart are thinking about moving some freight between Carlisle & Southend using ATR42 to help the flights get off the ground....?
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 16:00
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Time will tell ....it's the waiting game
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