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Old 27th Dec 2019, 08:20
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The October stats are:-
BHD ..... 724
SEN ...... 578
quite a drop. SEN down almost 20%, surely that cant be good?

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Old 27th Dec 2019, 08:40
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Originally Posted by bad bear View Post
quite a drop. SEN down almost 20%, surely that cant be good?

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It's certainly a poor route for SEN. Can't see it surviving.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 08:49
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Still don't know any figures for DUB
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 10:53
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SEN was never right from anywhere as we've seen with the other routes from there. LCY would be a good shout as its no longer just a 'business airport' I doubt people are using it as a major connecting route.
Were there not some flood cancellations?
I expect some reshuffling, but overall not to bad.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 11:58
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Is Southend lacking enough slots, parking space or gates to handle Carlisle ? My understanding is that at the moment SEN generally is not particularly capacity constrained, so SEN should grab whatever routes it can get, no matter how much better the route might perform at alternate London-area airports. I imagine Carlisle-Heathrow would see more pax than Carlisle-Southend, but this theoretical option doesn't exist in the real world

That said, if the flying is not profitable for Nyxair / Stobart, then there is not a lot of point in flying the route
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 11:58
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SEN equates to 17 pax per flight unless there were any cancellations in which case it may be higher. For a new domestic route heading into the off-season served only 4x weekly it doesn’t seem too bad.

BHD is looking good though, I would assume DUB would be at the same level or higher.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 12:49
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
SEN equates to 17 pax per flight unless there were any cancellations in which case it may be higher. For a new domestic route heading into the off-season served only 4x weekly it doesn’t seem too bad.

BHD is looking good though, I would assume DUB would be at the same level or higher.
It might not be bad in terms of LF, but is it even making any money?
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 14:29
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Originally Posted by Be a good chap View Post
Out of curiosity, what are the transport links like between the airport and the coast?

I note that the Sellafield nuclear facility and the BAE Submarine facility are located on the Cambrian coast, both about 1.5 - 2 hours drive from the airport.
It was a pity that in the early 1960s when the new Carlisle Airport (Kingstown was an existing grass airfield) was chosen at Crosby-on- Eden that GREAT ORTON ( 10nm W of Crosby ) was not selected instead.
Situated west of the City, better approaches with no higher ground in the vicinity & serving west Cumbria as well. Less well developed was probably the reason for the decision?
It fate was well & truly sealed in 2001 when it was the burial ground following a major foot & mouth outbreak. Followed by a wind farm installed!
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 14:42
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Yes - Carlisle airport is the wrong side of the city for the Cumbrian coast - definitely in the wrong place for serving the Cambrian coast!!

Would be interesting to to know what the deal is between LM and Stobart's, and where the financial risk is (definitely not with Nyxair).
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 15:10
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It might not be bad in terms of LF, but is it even making any money?
Route is being funded in part by the tax payer. Wonder what the subsidy per passenger is?
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 15:24
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Route is being funded in part by the tax payer. Wonder what the subsidy per passenger is?
Not that I'm aware of - where's that from?
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 15:51
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Originally Posted by LTNman View Post
Route is being funded in part by the tax payer. Wonder what the subsidy per passenger is?
Where did you read that the Route was funded by the tax payer....??????
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 17:13
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November pax for Carlisle

BHD ......611
SEN.......not yet published
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 17:15
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I can't see a route to any London destination being viable. Unless your actual origin or destination are very close to the airport, any time saving will be slight, and swamped by the much greater frequency of the hourly train. The only mainland routes which might work would be to SOU, Exeter or Newquay, where the train, although still frequent, is much slower, and involves a change of train (and train operator), and if travelling via London to Southampton, a change of station.
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 17:21
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Originally Posted by fjencl View Post
Where did you read that the Route was funded by the tax payer....??????
It has been discussed here quite a few times.

https://www.headforpoints.com/2016/0...rlisle-flight/

plus the airport also got a handout

https://www.itv.com/news/border/2017...nment-funding/

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Old 27th Dec 2019, 17:25
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Didn't the Southend route operate at a lower frequency (no Saturday flight) to the Belfast and Dublin flights? I think they have the same frequency now (for the winter).
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 17:29
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CAA stats are out for September.
CAX - SEN: 714 passengers
CAX - BHD: 777 passengers
The October stats are:-
BHD ..... 724
SEN ...... 578
November pax for Carlisle
BHD ......611
SEN.......not yet published

mmmm the figures are not going in a good direction, wonder where the cut off is even with a subsidy ?
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 17:34
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https://saeninfo.files.wordpress.com...o-carlisle.pdf
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 17:44
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Those are all old links - I don't think the Carlisle services started in time to get the Regional Development fund money. The airport certainly did get part-funding for some of the re-development work.

Be interesting to know how many of those other routes listed ever started....
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Old 27th Dec 2019, 21:36
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I used the SEN-CAX route myself today. Not a bad load at all with 26 onboard.

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