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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 21:30
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re Parkfells comments. I think Manx Airlines used to operate IOM - Carlisle - NCL...maybe before Dan-Air
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 21:54
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Originally Posted by parkfell View Post


In which case, the winter months might well prove interesting depending upon the time of day.

I could agree with that statement, though my knowledge of CAX winter weather patterns is somewhat lacking.
The UK AIP approach plates for the NDB/DME procedures show an OCH of 406' (RW24 )and 500 ( RW06) for approach category B types such as the Saab 340. The high intensity approach lighting looks minimal. 300m in length with one crossbar at the start of the lights.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 23:11
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My report may be of interest for those wondering what the operators plans are beyond tomorrow's launch...

Sadly, despite having been registered on here for years I haven't posted more than 10x, so I can't post the URL. But if you search for 'The Future of Carlisle Airport' on YouTube it should come up.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 07:06
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The BBC are at the airport this morning and the launch is being featured on the breakfast programme.

First flight is to DUB at 0800.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 08:45
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Very extensive coverage of the opening of the "new airport" on nationwide BBC Breakfast TV this morning, including the departure of the flight to DUB. Interestingly it was said that they are receiving bookings on CAX-SEN for pax connecting with SEN's network of holiday destinations. The terminal looked quite impressive in the footage despite its small size.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:14
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] Interestingly it was said that they are receiving bookings on CAX-SEN for pax connecting with SEN's network of holiday destinations.
How do they know without breaching gdpr ?
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:16
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Did anyone take a photo to post on here of the first flight?
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:18
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How do they know without breaching gdpr ?
Perhaps because it's not personal information, just aggregated data.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:20
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Perhaps because it's not personal information, just aggregated data.
Whats the YT for? DRONE. FOOTAGE OF LUTON DART??
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:21
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Originally Posted by Expressflight View Post
Very extensive coverage of the opening of the "new airport" on nationwide BBC Breakfast TV this morning, including the departure of the flight to DUB. Interestingly it was said that they are receiving bookings on CAX-SEN for pax connecting with SEN's network of holiday destinations. The terminal looked quite impressive in the footage despite its small size.
Same for DUB I would imagine, for onward travel to USA.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:21
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Originally Posted by Expressflight View Post
Very extensive coverage of the opening of the "new airport" on nationwide BBC Breakfast TV this morning, including the departure of the flight to DUB. Interestingly it was said that they are receiving bookings on CAX-SEN for pax connecting with SEN's network of holiday destinations. The terminal looked quite impressive in the footage despite its small size.
To refer to CAX as Britain's newest airport as the BBC were this morning is surely factually incorrect. So far as I can see it have never ceased to be a licensed aerodrome, but has had a prolonged break without commercial operations.

The BBC reporter seemed so far out of her depth, apparently fire service salutes are a novelty, and as for "connecting with SEN's network of holiday destinations", get real!

The market segment for CAX, if there is one, is bringing tourists into the region, and in that respect it is well placed, along with providing connectivity from businesses in the region to hubs such as AMS, FRA, LHR etc., but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:25
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Originally Posted by Jamesair View Post
Did anyone take a photo to post on here of the first flight?

You can see a video here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/localnews/2653775-Carlisle/0

Click on "the first flight to takeoff" in bold type.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:26
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Originally Posted by sixchannel View Post
Same for DUB I would imagine, for onward travel to USA.
In the interviews it was mentioned that DUB would be important for inbound US passengers travelling to the Lake District.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:36
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If you take a look at the volume of Dublin passengers going into Manchester, I think that is the flight with the best chance of success for Carlisle.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:40
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
To refer to CAX as Britain's newest airport as the BBC were this morning is surely factually incorrect. So far as I can see it have never ceased to be a licensed aerodrome, but has had a prolonged break without commercial operations.

The BBC reporter seemed so far out of her depth, apparently fire service salutes are a novelty, and as for "connecting with SEN's network of holiday destinations", get real!
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But, apart from a few here, no one cares. The airport probably had a good 30 minutes of nationwide publicity with more regional pieces to come throughout the day.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 09:56
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In the interviews it was mentioned that DUB would be important for inbound US passengers travelling to the Lake District.
Really! surely if you were an America you would fly to Manchester and then hire a car or travel by train. That is like saying to go to New Forest/Cornwall from America, rather than fly to London you fly to Dublin and then get a connection to Southampton. The time spent sitting in an airport waiting on a connection you would be there in a hire car.
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https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/1...t/?ref=mr&lp=6
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 11:40
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Originally Posted by West Brit View Post
Really! surely if you were an America you would fly to Manchester and then hire a car or travel by train. That is like saying to go to New Forest/Cornwall from America, rather than fly to London you fly to Dublin and then get a connection to Southampton. The time spent sitting in an airport waiting on a connection you would be there in a hire car.
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That's probably a much over simplified way of looking at it. Loganair and Aer Lingus will work to offer connectivity from CAX to USA. That will open up North America to this new destination. The client will look at all the variables; price, connectivity, us preclearance. In any case the capacity to this new airport is low, but maybe in to time if the US connectivity is strong they'll increase it.

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Old 4th Jul 2019, 12:51
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Originally Posted by parkfell View Post

It is good to see schedule services again. When I was learning to fly at Carlisle in 1972, DanAir provided a successful summer service to Jersey and the Isle of Man using HS748 and Viscount. Plessey Decca 424 radar worked well with talk down to half a mile.
Air Ecosse with their Otter started the 'hop scotch' services in 1981, followed by the Shorts360 to LHR. The fare structure at 144 eventually killed it off. Then NewAir, a flash in the pan, with a Jetsteam 31.

A successful operation is dependant upon a reliable service. The components are many but includes a serviceable aircraft, and the ability land from an instrument approach.

This elderly Saab will need a fair amount of TLC.

The summer months weather wise will be 98%+ successful using a NPA. Newcastle will pick up a few diversions.
The challenge will come probably November to March. Not so much fog ( invariably a passage of a weak warm front) which Carlisle suffers from probably a few times a year, but Cumbrian low cloud requiring a 200' DH / RVR 800m.
Once the customers patience is tested that will be the critical point.
I hope that CAT 1 ILS is on the shopping list to ensure an enduring service.

The local spotters will no doubt keep us informed.......

I remember catching a service some time back now, the short lived carrier was Lakeside Northwest, I boarded a Jetstream at Liverpool for Stansted, but the aircraft started in Carlisle. J31 I think.
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Old 4th Jul 2019, 12:58
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD View Post
West Brit,
That's probably a much over simplified way of looking at it. Loganair and Aer Lingus will work to offer connectivity from CAX to USA. That well open up North America to this new destination. The client will look at all the variables; price, connectivity, us preclearance. In any case the capacity to this new airport is low, but maybe in to time if the US connectivity is strong they'll increase it.
Not forgetting how bad traffic is around Manchester. Id go for landing at a nice quiet airport to start my Lake District Holiday.
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