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Old 30th Jun 2019, 13:47
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Originally Posted by Alteagod View Post
Are we saying that LM are basing a non UK airframe in CAX? I lost the thread of the thread.
https://www.nyx.ee/ are to be operating the Carlisle airport flights on there SAAB 340.
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 14:04
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thank you. I understand
I don't, I'm afraid. The Manx2 accident was a non-AOC holder - a virtual airline - leasing in aircraft over which it then exercised a degree of operational control. To lease in an aircraft from another AOC holder, an airline has to satisfy itself and the CAA that an equivalent standard of safety is being maintained. This goes for Thomas Cook leasing in from Smartlynx and Avion, easyJet doing the same, Flybe leasing from Nordica, Logan leasing from this airline and so on. It's a wholly different kettle of fish to the Manx2 accident, and I don't see the relevance of raising that?
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Old 30th Jun 2019, 15:02
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Originally Posted by Alteagod View Post
Are we saying that LM are basing a non UK airframe in CAX? I lost the thread of the thread.
Yes. Loganair will use a SF3 leased from the Estonian registered carrier Nyx Air to operate flights from CAX. The aircraft is registered ES-NSD. The aircraft is currently at EMA where it has been painted in Loganair livery and will be named spirit of Carlisle.

A link to a photo of the aircraft : https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9358160

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Old 1st Jul 2019, 09:31
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I'm all checked in for my flight on Thursday now... they must actually be going ahead!
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 12:49
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117 View Post
I'm all checked in for my flight on Thursday now... they must actually be going ahead!
I hope you really enjoy it and have realistic expectations. Small niche product which I hope does well despite the naysayers. Tea cakes all round! You can update us on the experience
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 16:31
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Free Minibus Timetable

http://www.carlisleairport.co.uk/ass...-timetable.pdf

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Old 1st Jul 2019, 18:05
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Would have been better if the other side of the timetable had shown......CARLISLE LAKE DISTRICT AIRPORT to CARLISLE RAIL STATION
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Old 1st Jul 2019, 22:56
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Originally Posted by Jamesair View Post
Would have been better if the other side of the timetable had shown......CARLISLE LAKE DISTRICT AIRPORT to CARLISLE RAIL STATION
Really nit-picking now!
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 07:24
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post
Really nit-picking now!
Not at all. As it stands it doesn't make it clear that it's showing the times of buses from the Airport to the Station. Someone should have proof read it before publication.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 08:19
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I have to agree that the wording is not that clear - especially for anyone to whom English is not their first language.

I would also like yo know whether the departure from the airport will be help in the case of a late running inbound flight.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 09:01
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I would also like yo know whether the departure from the airport will be help in the case of a late running inbound flight.
Will the flight be held if the bus is late? :-P
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 09:04
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Not nit-picking,..... just thought that, with this being an important launch, more care would have been taken to get the Timetable published in a proper and easily readable form.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 10:26
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The easiest thing I found was to phone the airport and pass on the comments made on here.

So yes they are aware of the bad wording on shuttle bus timetable and will be correcting it. Secondly they do say that the service from the airport will be held should an inbound flight be running late (my apologies for the typing error in my previous post!!).

All in all they seem to be working hard to get things up and running.

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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 11:16
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Excellent.....well done....I hope the enterprise is a great success....looking forward to the CAA stats for July to see what the loads are like.
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 11:58
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It is good to see schedule services again. When I was learning to fly at Carlisle in 1972, DanAir provided a successful summer service to Jersey and the Isle of Man using HS748 and Viscount. Plessey Decca 424 radar worked well with talk down to half a mile.
Air Ecosse with their Otter started the 'hop scotch' services in 1981, followed by the Shorts360 to LHR. The fare structure at 144 eventually killed it off. Then NewAir, a flash in the pan, with a Jetsteam 31.

A successful operation is dependant upon a reliable service. The components are many but includes a serviceable aircraft, and the ability land from an instrument approach.

This elderly Saab will need a fair amount of TLC.

The summer months weather wise will be 98%+ successful using a NPA. Newcastle will pick up a few diversions.
The challenge will come probably November to March. Not so much fog ( invariably a passage of a weak warm front) which Carlisle suffers from probably a few times a year, but Cumbrian low cloud requiring a 200' DH / RVR 800m.
Once the customers patience is tested that will be the critical point.
I hope that CAT 1 ILS is on the shopping list to ensure an enduring service.

The local spotters will no doubt keep us informed.......

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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 12:21
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How many places are there available on the minibus? Given that a full load in a Saab 340 means 34 passengers, even if only, say, 25 per cent will use the bus at best it would require 9 seats (not that I would expect too many fully booked flights..).
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 13:24
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Originally Posted by parkfell View Post

A successful operation is dependant upon a reliable service. The components are many but includes a serviceable aircraft, and the ability land from an instrument approach.

This elderly Saab will need a fair amount of TLC.

The summer months weather wise will be 98%+ successful using a NPA. Newcastle will pick up a few diversions.
The challenge will come probably November to March. Not so much fog ( invariably a passage of a weak warm front) which Carlisle suffers from probably a few times a year, but Cumbrian low cloud requiring a 200' DH / RVR 800m.
Once the customers patience is tested that will be the critical point.
I hope that CAT 1 ILS is on the shopping list to ensure an enduring service.
I

I doubt that an ILS will ever be installed. RNAV approaches with LPV capability should provide close to ILS Cat 1 capability without the cost of installation and maintenance of ground equipment, though the cost of CAA approval may be significant. Stobart in fact submitted an application for approval of RNAV procedures some eighteen months ago. The CAA response it seems was to require further noise studies. Since then I have heard nothing.

https://www.caa.co.uk/uploadedFiles/...20REDACTED.pdf
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Old 2nd Jul 2019, 14:10
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Saab is noisy both outside & inside. Flying it probably didn't do my hearing any good. I suspect that noise studies would show that any jet would be quieter overall. Saab noise lingers for much longer, and is very prenounced on the ground.
Irthington will know all about it, and to a certain extent Brampton.

NDB / DME approaches [with LNAV tracking?] will work well until W19 commences. Just what minima are expected from RNAV? Good approach lighting can make all the difference.....
When the plessey 424 radar was in use, with OCL 250', the success rate was probably 99%. Not sure if RVRs featured too much 50 years ago? Pity when it was decommissioned in 1982 for "political reasons". The Wharton 424 radar was still in use.

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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 17:57
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Loganair Saab 340s aren't RNAV-equipped. However by the time any RNAV approaches are approved at Carlisle, the Saabs will have gone.
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Old 3rd Jul 2019, 21:16
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Originally Posted by NorthSouth View Post
Loganair Saab 340s aren't RNAV-equipped. However by the time any RNAV approaches are approved at Carlisle, the Saabs will have gone.
In which case, the winter months might well prove interesting depending upon the time of day.

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