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Old 25th May 2018, 20:44
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Originally Posted by TartinTon View Post
Just looked on Loganairs site. All flights, any date selling for £290 return CAX-SEN. Says to me that they're about to pull it.
That is such a ridiculous comment to make.
You should not be jumping to conclusions on something you know nothing or little about, loads are extremely high on this route and donít forget this route pairing is between two airports owned / ran but the company operating the flights.
this would be the last route route to be pulled, as you put it.
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Old 25th May 2018, 21:06
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Loganair reported technical issues with website back on 21.5
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Old 25th May 2018, 21:08
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Or they are charging high fares like Eastern Airways do.
Loganair offer three levels of fare - the two lower ones are showing as sold out, with the just the highest available. There was only ever a handful of the lowest fares available.
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Old 26th May 2018, 06:41
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Loganair offer three levels of fare - the two lower ones are showing as sold out, with the just the highest available. There was only ever a handful of the lowest fares available.
It's a bit odd though that there are no fares available in the two lower categories of fare for any flight to any destination from CAX on any date. I suspect it's not that all seats in the two lower fare categories have sold out for all these flights. For example, the seat map for CAX>BFS on 25/6 shows no seats taken and CAX>DUB on the same date shows one seat taken, which would imply that there should be some availability in at least one of the two lower classes of fares, but, like the other flights, only the highest level of fare is available. As I've got a CAX>SEN trip booked in mid-June, I'm hoping it's a glitch but if the seat maps are accurate then I fear the worst.
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Old 26th May 2018, 07:40
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There's definitely something odd going on there.
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Old 26th May 2018, 08:17
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Originally Posted by tartan 201 View Post
It's a bit odd though that there are no fares available in the two lower categories of fare for any flight to any destination from CAX on any date. I suspect it's not that all seats in the two lower fare categories have sold out for all these flights. For example, the seat map for CAX>BFS on 25/6 shows no seats taken and CAX>DUB on the same date shows one seat taken, which would imply that there should be some availability in at least one of the two lower classes of fares, but, like the other flights, only the highest level of fare is available. As I've got a CAX>SEN trip booked in mid-June, I'm hoping it's a glitch but if the seat maps are accurate then I fear the worst.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you need to pay extra to select a seat? All that's telling you is only 1 person has paid to select a seat. The flight may well be fully booked for all you know, just no-one is fussed about where they sit.
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Old 26th May 2018, 08:27
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you need to pay extra to select a seat?
I don't think you do for these fully flexible fares - when I tried a dummy booking last night I found the same as tartan 201. Hopefully just a website glitch, but if so it needs sorting PDQ.
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Old 26th May 2018, 08:28
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Prices have suddenly gone up from £44.99 each way to £146.50 and £144 each way...…!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 26th May 2018, 08:42
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Originally Posted by nighthawk117 View Post
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you need to pay extra to select a seat? All that's telling you is only 1 person has paid to select a seat. The flight may well be fully booked for all you know, just no-one is fussed about where they sit.
You only have to pay extra to select a seat in the cheapest fare class ('Fly'). An allocated seat is included in the price in the 'Flyflex' and 'Flyfex+' fare classes although you can complete a reservation for those classes without choosing a seat (and have it allocated at check-in). Only fares in the 'flyflex+' class are now available. If that was due to demand, then all the 'flyflex' seats would have sold out and since they include a seat reservation in the price then it would be reasonable to expect some of those bookings to have reserved a seat at the time of booking and hence show as occupied on the seat map.
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Old 26th May 2018, 08:55
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Personally we are all rather looking forward to welcoming back Loganair to BHD. In many ways one of the founding fathers of the the Harbour Airport along with Spacegrand!! has come home. I hope CAX is just the start of new routes with Loganair.
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Old 26th May 2018, 09:24
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Daz211...having worked in the industry for over 30 years this is exactly what an airline does when they are thinking of pulling a route so far from being a "ridiculous comment" it's actually an informed one (a rarity on here!)
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Old 26th May 2018, 10:06
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Also working in the industry for many decades I would agree if ..... the aircraft on a route was a 737 or bigger and the new price was showing was £949.50, it is not inconceivable that the flights are full given the size of the aircraft.
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Old 26th May 2018, 10:17
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Given the flights are starting in just a couple of weeks is there a potential issue with the readiness of the terminal/runway/certification etc that means the start date is now in question? I would find this more plausible than cancelling the whole operation because of low sales.
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Old 26th May 2018, 10:53
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Just had a look using Skyscanner at a random summer Friday in July for the late morning flight to SEN. Only full fares available at £162 and the seating plan shows three seats booked. If they were fly-flex fares how many cheaper 'fly' fares would there have been? However there is a train available that gets me into central London, about the same time as the flight would allow, for £70 so I would save almost a ton by going on the train. Even full fare on the train at that time for walk up punters is over 40 quid cheaper. I think some adjustment to the fare structure might be needed to encourage more passengers out Brampton way.
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Old 26th May 2018, 11:06
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
Given the flights are starting in just a couple of weeks is there a potential issue with the readiness of the terminal/runway/certification etc that means the start date is now in question? I would find this more plausible than cancelling the whole operation because of low sales.
That thought has been at the back of my mind unfortunately but I hope it isn't so.
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Old 26th May 2018, 11:19
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Originally Posted by Alteagod View Post
Personally we are all rather looking forward to welcoming back Loganair to BHD. In many ways one of the founding fathers of the the Harbour Airport along with Spacegrand!! has come home. I hope CAX is just the start of new routes with Loganair.

Yes BHD have got in to the whole nostalgia thing too.
The administration block is back to being a Portakabin and they are still have the locals moaning about Jumbo jets landing in the middle of the night.
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Old 26th May 2018, 13:13
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Daz211....every day between now and Dec? Don't be so ridiculous. Either the route is under review or whoever is doing their revenue management needs sacking.
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Old 26th May 2018, 14:02
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Just drove by today, the outside seems to be done, but no idea what its like inside. They're cutting it fine to train staff and get it certified.

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Old 26th May 2018, 14:15
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Originally Posted by TartinTon View Post
Daz211....every day between now and Dec? Don't be so ridiculous. Either the route is under review or whoever is doing their revenue management needs sacking.
Indeed. It's actually the case that there is nothing but the highest fare class available on each flight between 4th June and the end of March 2019. Realistically, there's no way that's due to the two cheaper fare classes selling out.
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Old 26th May 2018, 17:19
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It’s the same for Belfast and Dublin. Someone’s hedging their bets here. Looks like everything is effectively closed out so as to limit EU261 liabilities when they start cancelling. Which they will.
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