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I am only guessing that there is a group of clueless people in BA, wandering the halls, thinking they are the masters of management, saying we can get £x on the bottom line by reducing the terms and conditions for pilots as they have nowhere to go. Good luck with that strategy as they will repay you in kind when the chance arises.
Or alternatively, there are a group of very well informed and skilled airline managers at BA who have successfully built a very profitable business thinking, how on earth can we avoid administration and bankruptcy of our business and the loss of every pilots job in the face of the biggest event to ever affect the industry.
Actually, given the dire state of the travel industry in general, rather than whinging and complaining about changes to conditions people should be happy to have a job, and keep it through the immediate aftermath. Joining the real world, or waking up and smelling the coffee might be better than firing off tirades at management.
That's my bet.
Actually, given the dire state of the travel industry in general, rather than whinging and complaining about changes to conditions people should be happy to have a job, and keep it through the immediate aftermath. Joining the real world, or waking up and smelling the coffee might be better than firing off tirades at management.
Actually, given the dire state of the travel industry in general, rather than whinging and complaining about changes to conditions people should be happy to have a job, and keep it through the immediate aftermath. Joining the real world, or waking up and smelling the coffee might be better than firing off tirades at management.
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Don't get me wrong, I have huge sympathy for anyone involved in this industry just now. It's a horrible set of circumstances that could not be envisaged, and for which there is no rule book, but.....let me ask this question.
In the current climate, if an airline management team didn't take every action possible to preserve the business (and the jobs it provides) upon whom would the blame rest for the failure of that business?
In the current climate, if an airline management team didn't take every action possible to preserve the business (and the jobs it provides) upon whom would the blame rest for the failure of that business?
No, but I'm sure they're incompetent, as are most managements in the view of their employees!
One thing is however for certain, as part of a large publicly quoted organisation that will be suffering severe cash flow issues, and a responsibility to their shareholders to maximise profits, or in the current situation, minimise losses they'll be forced to make some very unpalatable decisions to preserve their business in the medium term, to ensure that there will be a business and employment for people in the longer term.
I feel for anyone working in any part of the travel and tourism industry at present, but looking at the situation you've got to say that some job, on a lower salary with possibly worse conditions is, to a point, better than no job at all.
One thing is however for certain, as part of a large publicly quoted organisation that will be suffering severe cash flow issues, and a responsibility to their shareholders to maximise profits, or in the current situation, minimise losses they'll be forced to make some very unpalatable decisions to preserve their business in the medium term, to ensure that there will be a business and employment for people in the longer term.
I feel for anyone working in any part of the travel and tourism industry at present, but looking at the situation you've got to say that some job, on a lower salary with possibly worse conditions is, to a point, better than no job at all.
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The management who made BA the most profitable part of the IAG group.
I wonder whether the Edinburgh financial institutions, who were presumably the major users of the LCY services, have told BA that have discovered that online meetings worked perfectly well, saved a lot of money, and allowed their staff to work reasonable hours.
I wonder whether the Edinburgh financial institutions, who were presumably the major users of the LCY services, have told BA that have discovered that online meetings worked perfectly well, saved a lot of money, and allowed their staff to work reasonable hours.
The management who made BA the most profitable part of the IAG group.
I wonder whether the Edinburgh financial institutions, who were presumably the major users of the LCY services, have told BA that have discovered that online meetings worked perfectly well, saved a lot of money, and allowed their staff to work reasonable hours.
I wonder whether the Edinburgh financial institutions, who were presumably the major users of the LCY services, have told BA that have discovered that online meetings worked perfectly well, saved a lot of money, and allowed their staff to work reasonable hours.
For many of the legacy carriers, front end business passengers are crucial to their business model, again especially Cityflyer, who's customers must be predominantly from that sector.
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No, but I'm sure they're incompetent, as are most managements in the view of their employees!
One thing is however for certain, as part of a large publicly quoted organisation that will be suffering severe cash flow issues, and a responsibility to their shareholders to maximise profits, or in the current situation, minimise losses they'll be forced to make some very unpalatable decisions to preserve their business in the medium term, to ensure that there will be a business and employment for people in the longer term.
I feel for anyone working in any part of the travel and tourism industry at present, but looking at the situation you've got to say that some job, on a lower salary with possibly worse conditions is, to a point, better than no job at all.
One thing is however for certain, as part of a large publicly quoted organisation that will be suffering severe cash flow issues, and a responsibility to their shareholders to maximise profits, or in the current situation, minimise losses they'll be forced to make some very unpalatable decisions to preserve their business in the medium term, to ensure that there will be a business and employment for people in the longer term.
I feel for anyone working in any part of the travel and tourism industry at present, but looking at the situation you've got to say that some job, on a lower salary with possibly worse conditions is, to a point, better than no job at all.
So to dismiss 42 , 0000 staff , make redundant 12 , 000 staff and re employ 30 ,000 on the worst terms and conditions possible ( makes Mike Ashley look like a reasonable employer) is better than no job ?
BA are using this situation to their advantage to completely re structure the airline and its subsidiaries to an all time low
There won’t be a BA that you know or recognize I am afraid with most staff on zero hours and just above the minium wage
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there will be fewer face to face business meetings, probably fewer conferences that require overnight stays and cities like London could especially hard hit, as will the airlines, like BA Cityflyer.
There have been people lamenting BA's decline for decades.... bring back Lord King from the dead... etc...
The competitive environment has changed and BA has had to change as well. Until the virus, BA seemed to be making a healthy profit which says it can't be doing that badly
The competitive environment has changed and BA has had to change as well. Until the virus, BA seemed to be making a healthy profit which says it can't be doing that badly
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The Cityflyer thread also is a strange place to have a pop at BA’s ‘decline’, as it’s the one bit of the airline short-haul with an excellent product even in economy. No BOB, 2-2 seating
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Capitalism means people entrusting their money to a company with the hope that the value of their investment will grow.
When it comes to airlines, this is the most important truth.
No profits ultimately lead to no flights and no jobs. All the enthusiasm and esprit de corps in the world will not save a company which is badly run over an extended period. BA has faced a great many challenges in its history and has gone through good and bad patches. The competitive environment over the last forty years has changed and the airline market is scarcely recognisable from that of the 1980s and yet BA remain and (present circumstances aside) is thriving. I am not a BA cheerleader but this is not a company in decline, this is a company evolving to fit the demands of a competitive environment which means it will probably be here in one form or another in forty years from now.
When it comes to airlines, this is the most important truth.
No profits ultimately lead to no flights and no jobs. All the enthusiasm and esprit de corps in the world will not save a company which is badly run over an extended period. BA has faced a great many challenges in its history and has gone through good and bad patches. The competitive environment over the last forty years has changed and the airline market is scarcely recognisable from that of the 1980s and yet BA remain and (present circumstances aside) is thriving. I am not a BA cheerleader but this is not a company in decline, this is a company evolving to fit the demands of a competitive environment which means it will probably be here in one form or another in forty years from now.
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On a personal level, Ryanair have never ceased to get me where I needed to go at a price I was very happy to pay. Would I prefer to travel British Airways if I had a choice? Sure I would, as the overall experience is more polished, but would I pay significantly more and travel halfway across the country to LHR to do so? No I wouldn't, but I'd still rather they be a strong competitor on the global scene and being profitable enables that.
In the end, both Ryanair and BA get their customers from A to B and they do so profitably. They are both 'good' at what they do. I guess it then becomes a personal choice as to which one you give your custom.
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According to Jethros three E170’s have moved from Norwich to Warsaw for EOL checks.
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I believe these aircraft are heading to an operator in the US (possibly Republic) and are being replaced with second hand E190s from China Southern the first two of which should enter service in July.
