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[WHBM]

Originally Posted by rog747

possibly faster than calling in from standby ... The Florence crew were possibly then used on a later flight with a standby .. .

This one at least seems to have worked. The three previous weeks the first flight got away on time, but it fell apart downroute.

it sounds like the crew here do a UK-FLR-UK-FLR-UK .... it doesn’t take long to go out of hours after that.

Actually not, there is no final sector back to the UK on Saturday, it's a 3 sector day, overnights in Florence, does a return trip to Stansted and back on Sunday morning, then the return to LCY once it opens on Sunday afternoon, doubtless with the same crew, another 3 sector day. It's an unusual arrangement for a holiday flight, but that's how it is.

[rog747]

Originally Posted by willy wombat

rog747 - in my day, cabin crew minimum numbers was dictated by number of seats fitted - minimum one CC per 50 seats regardless of number of pax so on a 50 (or less) seat aircraft one CC OK but a 51 seat aircraft minimum two CC. Have the rules changed? PS we could config our a/c down to 100 seats (changing 6 abreast to 5 abreast) and in extremis go with two CC and minimal service.

yes that's what I said - to be clear you can go with 1 CC with up to 50 pax (regardless of seats fitted) but if a CE load was on needing a full meal and drinks service then 1 CC cannot do this and look after Y as well unless you dump the service which is not good PR

and you can go with 100 pax with 2 CC and so on . (for WB twin aisle a/c i think some different rules may apply)

[rog747]

Originally Posted by WHBM

This one at least seems to have worked. The three previous weeks the first flight got away on time, but it fell apart downroute.

Actually not, there is no final sector back to the UK on Saturday, it's a 3 sector day, overnights in Florence, does a return trip to Stansted and back on Sunday morning, then the return to LCY once it opens on Sunday afternoon, doubtless with the same crew, another 3 sector day. It's an unusual arrangement for a holiday flight, but that's how it is.

yes many pals on BA S/Haul would do say LHR-MUC-LHR then night stop JER (3 sectors)
next day may just be JER-LHR and go home or do say a FRA and back

at BMA we did roster upto 6 sector days to JER at weekends doing W's all day or say MME-LHR 3 round trips for both FD and CC

[Downwind_Left]

Originally Posted by rog747

yes that's what I said - to be clear you can go with 1 CC with up to 50 pax (regardless of seats fitted) but if a CE load was on needing a full meal and drinks service then 1 CC cannot do this and look after Y as well unless you dump the service which is not good PR

and you can go with 100 pax with 2 CC and so on . (for WB twin aisle a/c i think some different rules may apply)

Sorry but that's incorrect. Minimum crew required is determined by seats fitted and not passengers carried. So a 76 seat E170 or 98 seat E190 both require a legal minimum of 2 cabin crew, regardless of number of passengers carried. So a single passenger carried, you'd still need 2 cabin crew on both types. Some aircraft with low density configurations will have further restrictions applied, based on door coverage etc

[willy wombat]

Thanks. I thought either the rules had changed or I was becoming senile.

[rog747]

Originally Posted by Downwind_Left

Sorry but that's incorrect. Minimum crew required is determined by seats fitted and not passengers carried. So a 76 seat E170 or 98 seat E190 both require a legal minimum of 2 cabin crew, regardless of number of passengers carried. So a single passenger carried, you'd still need 2 cabin crew on both types. Some aircraft with low density configurations will have further restrictions applied, based on door coverage etc

ah then the rules have changed since my day - thanks for the clarification - I assume this applies to UK

if we had a 73 seat Viscount we could take 50 pax with one CC for instance

[inOban]

Incidentally the same rules apply to passenger ships. A cross-channel ferry may be licensed for 2000 passengers, and must be crewed for that even if it's carrying 200.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

My BA8729 GLA-LCY was delayed 4 hours today, G-LCYV sat unattended on 24 all that time, crewing issue? Edited : yes it was, no contingency.....

[virginblue]

Originally Posted by WHBM

LCY is a difficult place to retain staff, as we know much of Cityflyer's hub there is actually crewed from Scotland.

My excuses for the stupid question, but how does it work? Does Cityflyer shuttle them down to LCY and put them up in hotels around LCY at the airline's expense for the days they are away from Scotland?

[WHBM]

We are soon off LCY to Skiathos

Notes from beside The Aegean :

The Bank Holiday Monday Skiathos was very pleasantly organised, despite the large number of Mediterranean and other departures delayed until LCY's holiday restriction to an 0900 opening, the airport ran so well with zero holdups at the desks or security. About an 80% load. Delayed departure due to ATC near the destination restricting due to bad weather, but when we approached there was a thunderstorm right over the airfield. held offshore in a weather hole for about 30 minutes with lightning bolts visible in the distance, then a real rock-and-roll run in, perfectly on the numbers (the road in front is a sight closer than LCY's Connaught Bridge) and we were there, only aircraft on the airfield (despite which we were put on the furthest-most stand from the terminal, no kidding). Nice one, guys.

Taxi driver said that a Blue Panorama 737 inbound from Italy had diverted to Athens, which I saw later was so, losing half a day's holiday. Airport cab drivers always know the gen on this sort of scuttlebutt. I wonder if they didn't load extra fuel for extended holding.

[BAladdy]

Just read on the Eastern Airways thread that they will no longer be operating IOM-LCY route for BACF from the end of the month. Another carrier taking over operating the route for BACF with IOM crew being TUPEd to operator. Anyone know if this is true and if so who is the new operator and will flights continue to be operated by a S2000?.

[BA318]

Could it be VLM? They wanted to get into white label flying. There aren’t that many operators with 50-70 seat equipment around. Otherwise Loganair? Or perhaps Jota?

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by BA318

Could it be VLM? They wanted to get into white label flying. There aren’t that many operators with 50-70 seat equipment around. Otherwise Loganair? Or perhaps Jota?

The smallest aircraft in Jota’s fleet carries 95 passengers.i think that the aircraft might be to big for the route. I thought maybe Sun-Air could replace T3 they have just taken delivery of another D328 and they are already a BA franchise partner, however not sure if 32 seat D328 would be to small a aircraft for the route.

Hopefully whoever takes over the route will be more reliable than T3 have been of late

[shamrock7seal]

What has happened to domestic UK aviation?

Flybe is continually loss making
Eastern is cost cutting so much it's now basically not working operationally anymore
Flybmi is limping along but doesn't seem to know what it wants to be or do and there is no expansion on the horizon
BA Cityflyer is London centric and seems to be struggling a little with its (temporary?) UK regional weekend expansion
BA domestic is static or declining
easyJet domestic is limited to big regional airports
Aurigny is loss making
Blue islands is basically Flybe now
Stobart Air is ... well

Loganair seems to be the only airline that believes it has a bright future with some growth potential

No other airlines?

[cornishsimon]

I think skybus are doing ok ��


cs

[Flightrider]

Total thread drift (and apologies) but I don't think all is completely well at Skybus either. If you read the Friends of Isles of Scilly Transport pages, the posting on 8 July sets out some information around the Steamship Company's trading and it is not pretty reading.

Anyway, back to BACF!

[irishlad06]

Originally Posted by BAladdy

Just read on the Eastern Airways thread that they will no longer be operating IOM-LCY route for BACF from the end of the month. Another carrier taking over operating the route for BACF with IOM crew being TUPEd to operator. Anyone know if this is true and if so who is the new operator and will flights continue to be operated by a S2000?.

could it be FlyBe? Soon will have an IOM base and aircraft to operate to LCY.

[AirportPlanner1]

Stobart? Currently op for BE but ending soon as BE will be taking it back in-house as mentioned above?

[euromanxdude]

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Heard it will be Loganair !

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by euromanxdude

Heard it will be Loganair !

Have you heard what date they are taking the route over?. Will the route continue to be operate by a S2000 or will they use a D328?