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Old 5th Sep 2018, 14:39
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Uk registrations cannot be reused so some of the suggestions here would not work as they have already been active on other aircraft. There is only one that has ever been reused before the Caa stopped it in the early to mid 80s.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 17:04
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British Airways usually have registrations which have a significance... The new 320neo’s are TTN- (Three Twenty Neo), DOC- (Domestic), EU—(European), YMM—(Millenium).

My guess would be another variation on London.. LON, LDN, CIT
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 21:26
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
As BACF have been using up to three Eastern aircraft, I am not sure the additional 4 E90 will mean a lot of expanson route-wise. Probably T3's S20s will be replaced with two BACF E70 which in turn will be replaced with two of the new, larger E90 on the routes they currently serve. Same could happen to the E70 currently leased from Eastern. Unless the Loganair S20 stays on the IOM route and does not get replaced in 2019, this would mean just one additional airframe which will not have much spare capacity with two daily FCO flights plus an additional ZRH flight already scheduled.
BACF are planning to add a couple of new routes and add additional frequencies on existing routes for S19 from LCY before Christmas. I think routes that are likely to see increased frequencies for S19 will be Rome, Santorini and Skiathos.

When it comes to new routes, I think summer sun destinations such as Corsica (Bastia), Croatia (Bol, Split or Zadar), Sardinia (Alghero or Olbia) would all be very popular. I was also gonna add Maderia to that list but not sure if that would be to far for a E90.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 21:44
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Originally Posted by BAladdy View Post

BACF are planning to add a couple of new routes and add additional frequencies on existing routes for S19 from LCY before Christmas. I think routes that are likely to see increased frequencies for S19 will be Rome, Santorini and Skiathos.

When it comes to new routes, I think summer sun destinations such as Corsica (Bastia), Croatia (Bol, Split or Zadar), Sardinia (Alghero or Olbia) would all be very popular. I was also gonna add Maderia to that list but not sure if that would be to far for a E90.
Corsica - absolutely, but I think Cagliari and Olbia over Alghero in Sardinia. Catania in Sicily, Naples, Dubrovnik and Pula.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 21:49
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It will be interesting to see if the regions get more routes for the weekend bases too, as this is potentially 4 more aircraft that they want to see full use over the week.

MAN-FAO stands out as a potential candidate, as well as extra flights to PMI/AGP/ALC. LIN would be a nice route (a la STN) but not holding out hope for that one.
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Old 5th Sep 2018, 23:08
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Originally Posted by BA318 View Post
BA Cityflyer will add four E190s next year and launch flights to Rome as well as other destinations (not yet announced).

British Airways - MORE ROUTES AND MORE AIRCRAFT FOR LONDON CITY
The article says that the aircraft will be added to the fleet during 2019. Does anyone know when the expect the first aircraft to enter service and how many of them are expected to be in service prior to July next year?.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 07:16
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Originally Posted by BAladdy View Post

BACF are planning to add a couple of new routes and add additional frequencies on existing routes for S19 from LCY before Christmas. I think routes that are likely to see increased frequencies for S19 will be Rome, Santorini and Skiathos.

When it comes to new routes, I think summer sun destinations such as Corsica (Bastia), Croatia (Bol, Split or Zadar), Sardinia (Alghero or Olbia) would all be very popular. I was also gonna add Maderia to that list but not sure if that would be to far for a E90.
BACF will, however, need to find work for the additional aircraft on MTuWeTh before they can think about adding highly seasonal leisure destinations on FrSaSu. So in addition to increasing frequencies to some long-served destinations (and possibly Rome), one or two additional business destinations must be on the cards. In Austria, there is talk about Vienna which is an obvipus gap in LCY's network. Not sure about other destinations, as the more obvious ones have either failed in the past (ARN, CPH, OSL, BCN) or been snapped up by others recently (WAW, BUD). MUC and/or PRG would be a long-shot, assuming that BACF will not be interested in routes with less than 50.000 annual pax like ANR and BRN that are up for grabs.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 08:54
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
BACF will, however, need to find work for the additional aircraft on MTuWeTh before they can think about adding highly seasonal leisure destinations on FrSaSu. So in addition to increasing frequencies to some long-served destinations (and possibly Rome), one or two additional business destinations must be on the cards. In Austria, there is talk about Vienna which is an obvipus gap in LCY's network. Not sure about other destinations, as the more obvious ones have either failed in the past (ARN, CPH, OSL, BCN) or been snapped up by others recently (WAW, BUD). MUC and/or PRG would be a long-shot, assuming that BACF will not be interested in routes with less than 50.000 annual pax like ANR and BRN that are up for grabs.
PRG is already being served now 6 weekly I think. VIE was flown by Austrian for a season with a Fokker 70 but didn't last.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 09:20
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PRG is already being served now 6 weekly I think. VIE was flown by Austrian for a season with a Fokker 70 but didn't last.
You are of course correct regarding Prague.

VIE was in 2011, IIRC. The flight times were, from memory, awful. Arrival into VIE after 11 pm etc. Almost a decade later and with better timings, it might work.

Looks as if BACF really is running out of business destination they could add. They already serve almost all important ones, have tried a few more supposedly important ones that did not work out and do not have the right-sized equipment for some of the smaller markets with potential. Looking at a map of Europe, maybe E70s to BSL, LYS, MUC if we rule out Scandinavia which has not worked again and again in the past.
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Old 6th Sep 2018, 09:57
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I still find the ARN route strange. It went up to three daily just before it was dropped and while only an anecdote, it was always full when I used it and prices were never that cheap. With the loss of the 767 on the route from LHR next year, perhaps there's room for the route to return.
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Old 21st Sep 2018, 14:16
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Well done Cityflyer crew

Returned Dublin to City on evening of Wednesday 19th. Very disorganised in Dublin airport following the storm passing through ... but a major airport should do better than this. FIDS not being kept updated so the current departures were not shown although there were plenty of earlier delayed flights up on there, now shown as departed but not cleared off to allow the current ones to scroll up. Go To Gate eventually shown, even though the inbound aircraft, disorganised from earlier Dublin rotations, had not left LCY yet (if I can find that out why can't the information team). Gate we were to "Go To" completely unmanned until one hour after scheduled departure {Dublin Handling, you owe me for being your information officer to everyone else). Had been snapped at by the Club Europe handling agent at check-in. Security quere screen states "QUEUE LESS THAN (big letters)30 minutes (little letters)", trying to minimise a 30 minute wait with two-thirds of the expensive checking stations unstaffed and closed.. Restaurants overwhelmed and a mess.

Anyway, aircraft finally arrives, turned round, big queue at the Hold for departures, finally get off at about 2140, nearly 2 hours late. Flying time 50 minutes on a good day. Now LCY closes on the dot of 2230, due to its planning permission regulation. But the guys up front, doubtless with good help from ATC, get as direct a routing into the 28 Final as I've seen for years, nose towards home, we set down at ... 2226. Phew ! And instead of being sent to Stansted, I'm 5 minutes from home.

Thank you !

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Old 25th Sep 2018, 09:20
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BA are launching 3 daily LCY-MUC flights using E190 from Feb 2019
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 07:27
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Some discussion on the SOU thread about potential new flights there by BA CItyFlyer. Any chance?
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 07:58
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As far as I am aware there has been no indication that they are planning to change the current business model.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 22:47
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal View Post
Some discussion on the SOU thread about potential new flights there by BA CItyFlyer. Any chance?
The discussion on the SOU thread regarding BACF was only about them being a potential addition to the airport in a similar way to how they operate from BHX, BRS, MAN and STN especially now that they have acquired four additional EMB190's.

It wasn't regarding BACF offering a similar network to LCY although in reality that would be fantastic for the airport but I think we're mature enough to understand that it won't happen but a similar exercise to the regional weekend flying I could see being a possibility in the future.
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 10:14
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BHX

Apparently all routes being dropped next summer along with BRS.

A case of too much being spread too thinly over the summer weekends? Poor loads and yield? A crewing and operational nightmare in terms of crew hours, HOTAC etc?

The FLR in particular seemed to do very well from BHX in terms of plain numbers of bums on seats.

It is very disappointing news for BHX which has been haemorrhaging airlines in the last 12 months. I thought with additional aircraft arriving at BACF there might have even been a small increase in flights at BHX next summer. Of course the MAG group MAN and STN operations survive...
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Old 30th Sep 2018, 11:10
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MAG group MAN and STN are a considerable market force generally...
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Old 2nd Oct 2018, 19:35
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Originally Posted by GayFriendly View Post
Apparently all routes being dropped next summer along with BRS.

A case of too much being spread too thinly over the summer weekends? Poor loads and yield? A crewing and operational nightmare in terms of crew hours, HOTAC etc?

The FLR in particular seemed to do very well from BHX in terms of plain numbers of bums on seats.
Load factor this summer on the flights form both BRS and BHX to AGP & PMI was up slightly compared to last year. However yields were very poor. This is why these routes have been pulled.

Flights to FLR from both airports operated with quite high load factors, however not sure what the yields were like.


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Old 4th Oct 2018, 09:52
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Originally Posted by GayFriendly View Post
Apparently all routes being dropped next summer along with BRS...

...It is very disappointing news for BHX which has been haemorrhaging airlines in the last 12 months. I thought with additional aircraft arriving at BACF there might have even been a small increase in flights at BHX next summer. Of course the MAG group MAN and STN operations survive...
BHX (and passengers) can feel especially peeved, given that BHX > FLR was outperforming MAN both in terms of raw numbers and load factors (94%+ in Jul and Aug - around the same as STN). As the fares were 'reassuringly expensive' there is no reason to suggest that yields were any lower than those surviving routes. This probably points to the logistics of getting aircraft to Brum and perhaps weakness of the other sectors; Malaga and Palma.

There were other routes, though, that BACF could have gone for - uncontested routes that were lost with Monarch; Lisbon (c. 5,000 passengers per month) and Nice (c. 3,000) for example.

Like GF, I had hoped for some expansion at BHX - even perhaps for mainline to step in with a 319 on FLR and perhaps LIS or NCE.

[EDIT: On reflection, while 319's regularly fly into FLR, I'm not sure that BA's subtypes would be able to get in and out]

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Old 1st Nov 2018, 12:29
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So with Stobart operating two Embraer 190 on behalf of BACF soon, does that mean that the expansion announced for 2019 with, IIRC, four additional aircraft will be covered by 2 BACF + 2 Stobart E190s or will it be be 4 BACF an Stobart's 2 E190s are counted as a replacement for the 2 Eastern Airways airframes? (and Loganair on LCY-IOM is just a step gap measure as they will be soon shedding the Saab 2000 anyway)
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