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it sounds like the crew here do a UK-FLR-UK-FLR-UK .... it doesn’t take long to go out of hours after that.
rog747 - in my day, cabin crew minimum numbers was dictated by number of seats fitted - minimum one CC per 50 seats regardless of number of pax so on a 50 (or less) seat aircraft one CC OK but a 51 seat aircraft minimum two CC. Have the rules changed? PS we could config our a/c down to 100 seats (changing 6 abreast to 5 abreast) and in extremis go with two CC and minimal service.
and you can go with 100 pax with 2 CC and so on . (for WB twin aisle a/c i think some different rules may apply)
This one at least seems to have worked. The three previous weeks the first flight got away on time, but it fell apart downroute.
Actually not, there is no final sector back to the UK on Saturday, it's a 3 sector day, overnights in Florence, does a return trip to Stansted and back on Sunday morning, then the return to LCY once it opens on Sunday afternoon, doubtless with the same crew, another 3 sector day. It's an unusual arrangement for a holiday flight, but that's how it is.
Actually not, there is no final sector back to the UK on Saturday, it's a 3 sector day, overnights in Florence, does a return trip to Stansted and back on Sunday morning, then the return to LCY once it opens on Sunday afternoon, doubtless with the same crew, another 3 sector day. It's an unusual arrangement for a holiday flight, but that's how it is.
next day may just be JER-LHR and go home or do say a FRA and back
at BMA we did roster upto 6 sector days to JER at weekends doing W's all day or say MME-LHR 3 round trips for both FD and CC
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yes that's what I said - to be clear you can go with 1 CC with up to 50 pax (regardless of seats fitted) but if a CE load was on needing a full meal and drinks service then 1 CC cannot do this and look after Y as well unless you dump the service which is not good PR
and you can go with 100 pax with 2 CC and so on . (for WB twin aisle a/c i think some different rules may apply)
and you can go with 100 pax with 2 CC and so on . (for WB twin aisle a/c i think some different rules may apply)
Sorry but that's incorrect. Minimum crew required is determined by seats fitted and not passengers carried. So a 76 seat E170 or 98 seat E190 both require a legal minimum of 2 cabin crew, regardless of number of passengers carried. So a single passenger carried, you'd still need 2 cabin crew on both types. Some aircraft with low density configurations will have further restrictions applied, based on door coverage etc
if we had a 73 seat Viscount we could take 50 pax with one CC for instance
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Incidentally the same rules apply to passenger ships. A cross-channel ferry may be licensed for 2000 passengers, and must be crewed for that even if it's carrying 200.
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My excuses for the stupid question, but how does it work? Does Cityflyer shuttle them down to LCY and put them up in hotels around LCY at the airline's expense for the days they are away from Scotland?
We are soon off LCY to Skiathos
The Bank Holiday Monday Skiathos was very pleasantly organised, despite the large number of Mediterranean and other departures delayed until LCY's holiday restriction to an 0900 opening, the airport ran so well with zero holdups at the desks or security. About an 80% load. Delayed departure due to ATC near the destination restricting due to bad weather, but when we approached there was a thunderstorm right over the airfield. held offshore in a weather hole for about 30 minutes with lightning bolts visible in the distance, then a real rock-and-roll run in, perfectly on the numbers (the road in front is a sight closer than LCY's Connaught Bridge) and we were there, only aircraft on the airfield (despite which we were put on the furthest-most stand from the terminal, no kidding). Nice one, guys.
Taxi driver said that a Blue Panorama 737 inbound from Italy had diverted to Athens, which I saw later was so, losing half a day's holiday. Airport cab drivers always know the gen on this sort of scuttlebutt. I wonder if they didn't load extra fuel for extended holding.
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Just read on the Eastern Airways thread that they will no longer be operating IOM-LCY route for BACF from the end of the month. Another carrier taking over operating the route for BACF with IOM crew being TUPEd to operator. Anyone know if this is true and if so who is the new operator and will flights continue to be operated by a S2000?.
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Hopefully whoever takes over the route will be more reliable than T3 have been of late
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What has happened to domestic UK aviation?
Flybe is continually loss making
Eastern is cost cutting so much it's now basically not working operationally anymore
Flybmi is limping along but doesn't seem to know what it wants to be or do and there is no expansion on the horizon
BA Cityflyer is London centric and seems to be struggling a little with its (temporary?) UK regional weekend expansion
BA domestic is static or declining
easyJet domestic is limited to big regional airports
Aurigny is loss making
Blue islands is basically Flybe now
Stobart Air is ... well
Loganair seems to be the only airline that believes it has a bright future with some growth potential
No other airlines?
Flybe is continually loss making
Eastern is cost cutting so much it's now basically not working operationally anymore
Flybmi is limping along but doesn't seem to know what it wants to be or do and there is no expansion on the horizon
BA Cityflyer is London centric and seems to be struggling a little with its (temporary?) UK regional weekend expansion
BA domestic is static or declining
easyJet domestic is limited to big regional airports
Aurigny is loss making
Blue islands is basically Flybe now
Stobart Air is ... well
Loganair seems to be the only airline that believes it has a bright future with some growth potential
No other airlines?
Total thread drift (and apologies) but I don't think all is completely well at Skybus either. If you read the Friends of Isles of Scilly Transport pages, the posting on 8 July sets out some information around the Steamship Company's trading and it is not pretty reading.
Anyway, back to BACF!
Anyway, back to BACF!
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Just read on the Eastern Airways thread that they will no longer be operating IOM-LCY route for BACF from the end of the month. Another carrier taking over operating the route for BACF with IOM crew being TUPEd to operator. Anyone know if this is true and if so who is the new operator and will flights continue to be operated by a S2000?.
could it be FlyBe? Soon will have an IOM base and aircraft to operate to LCY.
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