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Old 30th Nov 2017, 15:56
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There is a bit of a froth on a skiing forum re limited number of skis carried on a charter flight from EDI-CMF. Is that because space is limited in the hold or a weight issue on the return leg from CMF (especially with a tailwind take off) or a combination of the two?
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 07:12
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I'd say it's probably a weight/performance issue, given CMF short runway. that being said it may even be down to space depending who the charter is with (BE's -8's or E175/195 OR LS's B733, all of which aren't particularly large planes?)
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 10:37
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BA has confirmed the summer regional routes in a media release:

British Airways - EVEN MORE REGIONAL FLIGHTS TO HOLIDAY HOTSPOTS NEXT SUMMER

From May 2018 there will be extra weekend flights from Manchester to Malaga, Ibiza and Palma, with Mykonos flights operating on Saturdays instead of Fridays, an extra weekend flight from Birmingham to Palma and an extra weekend flight from Bristol to Malaga.

Additional summer routes include flights from Manchester to Alicante and Nice, from Birmingham to Malaga and Florence and from Bristol to Ibiza, Palma and Florence.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 15:46
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I would have loved to have seen BACF expand even more into the regions and offer some of these flights from SOU for summer 2018.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 19:02
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There may be more announcements to come. Last year BHX and BRS were announced separately after MAN and STN.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 19:05
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There are more announcements to come. MAN-FLR needs to be announced as does a flight on Sunday morning, and I imagine STN will get one or two more routes at the very least too.

There are 2 more E190s due by next summer, and while I suspect the BHX/BRS flights now fill those extra frames, could be more to come.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 21:14
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Be great to have them at CWL, plenty of unserved destinations on offer here and would then truly make the airline “British” as Wales is the only part of the UK without a BA schedule.
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 22:18
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I'm sure most UK regions would like a chuffing great big BA maintenance base.

Unless a few weekend sun flights contributes more to the local economy?
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Old 1st Dec 2017, 22:31
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As has already been mentioned STN really does need something new (JMK & JTR would be a welcome addition). Maybe we’ll hear something over the next couple of weeks?
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 04:36
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR View Post
There are more announcements to come. MAN-FLR needs to be announced as does a flight on Sunday morning, and I imagine STN will get one or two more routes at the very least too.

There are 2 more E190s due by next summer, and while I suspect the BHX/BRS flights now fill those extra frames, could be more to come.
BRS did a full season of flights in 2017 with 4 destinations. Some of the destinations will be increased in S18 with mutterings of extra destinations served.
The FLR rotation in S17 was a E170 but the rest were E190.I think the FLR rotation to be upgraded to a E190 in S18
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 05:57
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl View Post
Be great to have them at CWL, plenty of unserved destinations on offer here and would then truly make the airline “British” as Wales is the only part of the UK without a BA schedule.
Could do with more capacity to the likes of PMI ALC and AGP from IAG rather than new routes.
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 06:00
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
I'm sure most UK regions would like a chuffing great big BA maintenance base.

Unless a few weekend sun flights contributes more to the local economy?
What's that got to do with BA not offering scheduled flights from Wales with it's own metal?
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 06:13
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So doing a very bucket and spade flights on the odd summer weekend from CWL would make BA "British", but a significant investment generating local jobs doesn't?

I'm always surprised by the excitement generated by BACF finding things to do with their a/c when LCY is shut.
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 06:27
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I think we need to get past this mentality.

Yes, it is a circumstance that has been created by LCY being shut, but LCY has always been shut on Saturdays, so, why run these types of flights now?

Also, these flights still have to prove their worth, it’s not some sort of charity case. DUB and BHX to IBZ have been cut for S18, so, shows that some thought is going into the routes chosen and those that are not performing will be cut.

Also, it’s just Saturday and early Sunday that LCY is closed, so begs the question that if it’s just spare aircraft from that closure, then why doe MAN get an aircraft from Thursday night, taking away an aircraft from the busy LCY Friday schedule?

And I think that’s the crux of the excitement. Yes, they are just aircraft that can’t use LCY on sat, but, I’m sure there are no shortages of airports that would happily get the flights too, but the fact UK regionals see the aircraft is a great move away from the London Airways mentality....
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 06:36
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
So doing a very bucket and spade flights on the odd summer weekend from CWL would make BA "British", but a significant investment generating local jobs doesn't?

I'm always surprised by the excitement generated by BACF finding things to do with their a/c when LCY is shut.
Because people judge airlines by the routes they fly not where there maintenance bases are.

Because it's a chance for many to see the BA brand flying from their local airport in many cases and many hope it will lead to more in the future maybe even permanent bases at some airport's.
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 07:45
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Ok - you guys see it as a strategic move, the start of BA's return to the regions, and I'll see it as a tactical move, a 'nice little earner', and we can agree to differ...
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 07:59
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Don’t strategy and tactics mean the same sort of thing?

But anyway, I see it the same as you. It’s a nice earner for BA, but out of all the airports they could have operated from, they primarily chose the U.K. regions, and said regions seem to be paying off otherwise they wouldn’t have returned next summer, never made expanded.

And of course it is the start of a return to the U.K. regions. Even as little as 2 years ago, if you has said the likes of Manchester would see 30 odd flights a week that didn’t touch London, there would have been doubt, but here we are. It doesn’t matter if people look down their nose and see this as nothing more than ‘using an otherwise idle aircraft’, the fact that this seems to be bringing in revenue for both the airports and BA, I don’t think those guys will be loosing sleep that they are seen as having a lowly weekend operation using aircraft that can’t use their usual airport of choice.....
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 08:06
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There are fewer business meetings on Fridays. Hence the they can reduce the number of LCY flights, at least on the morning. From EDI one a/c does a PMI rotation early on a Friday, although it returns to LCY duties for the Friday afternoon weekend traffic. (Actually it's the only BACF flight on the public timetable - the other holiday rotations are all charters) IAG are simply making best use of their assets.
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 08:16
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Never mind.......
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Old 2nd Dec 2017, 08:25
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Don’t strategy and tactics mean the same sort of thing?
No, they’re two differing attributes, a good strategic planner can command way more in market. A tactical delivery specialist often comes in when the KPI needs to be met and the strategy doesn’t quite pan out!
I can’t get excited about this, I remind myself of BA’s ongoing ineptness at anything outside of London, think wistfully of what happened to Manx and Brymon not to mention BA Regional and couple that with “If LCY had extended hours, would Didsbury (are they still based there?) even be interested in Manchester?”
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