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plus of course 98% of passengers wont be able to tell the difference between a -800 and a -8, other than engine size/positioning (which they probably won't identify unless one is parked next to the other) they look the same.
Which is no doubt exactly what TUI would like when the 737-8's return to service -
They will quietly just merge the 737-800 and the 737-8 as a generic type 737 (same 189 seats and same exit locations)
MAX titles will be dropped and as you say they both look the same to most folk.
The only ones that are vastly different are the 737 MAX-10 which TUI are expecting to have a large number delivered next year, with similar capacity to the 757, but offers less range, and less range than the 737 MAX-8, and only 200 miles** more than the 737-800.
The MAX-10 needs one additional AUX fuel tank to meet this **range but maximum payload will be reduced
The -10 can seat up to 230 pax and has 10 exits - with 2 x Type 1 aft of the wing (same as 757)
TUI has not yet advised the seating capacity for the -10.
TUI were expected to be the launch customer in Europe for the -10
TUI CEO mulls name change
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9160916.html
That's incorrect I gather - There is some chatter on the avgeek web and in the Press that the -10's do not have MCAS, but from what I read further that does not seem to be the case.
edit - I don't think we know.
edit - I don't think we know.
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''Federal Aviation Administration chief Stephen Dickson said today that the 737 MAX which has been grounded worldwide since March, will not be certified to fly this year, dashing Boeing’s hopes of getting the popular family of planes back in the air in 2019.''
Doubt then we will see entry into TUI service for at least the first half of Summer 2020 if at all....
No doubt TUI are picking up the phone to the ACMI's
Doubt then we will see entry into TUI service for at least the first half of Summer 2020 if at all....
No doubt TUI are picking up the phone to the ACMI's
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Sorry to post this in here as I know it’s not what it’s for, but I know fr24 is unreliable when it comes to TOM. Does anyone know if by735 from BVC - BHX has taken off and if it’s delayed? The MAN flight due to take off 20 mins after is also not tracking.
The BHX website has no info, and the Airportia website has it down as arriving at 22.30, but this changes regularly.
im picking someone up so anyone who has any access to non public softwares and could help would be much appreciated. I’ve tried every source I know of to try and track it.
The BHX website has no info, and the Airportia website has it down as arriving at 22.30, but this changes regularly.
im picking someone up so anyone who has any access to non public softwares and could help would be much appreciated. I’ve tried every source I know of to try and track it.
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BY735 Birmingham BHX TUI Airways12/12 14:45 15:25 Departed Late
Source: https://www.airportia.com/cape-verde...rt/departures/
Google flights also concurs.
Source: https://www.airportia.com/cape-verde...rt/departures/
Google flights also concurs.
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BY735 Birmingham BHX TUI Airways12/12 14:45 15:25 Departed Late
Source: https://www.airportia.com/cape-verde...rt/departures/
Google flights also concurs.
Source: https://www.airportia.com/cape-verde...rt/departures/
Google flights also concurs.
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FR24 is showing that a STN flight next week will be operated by an A321. Are they possibly going to be using Titan charters from STN again? Wouldn't be too surprising given 9 x 738 have now gone to Sunwing (surely there will be no more). TUI don't have many flights from STN in winter (only 2 per week right now but it does increase going into ski season and perhaps they don't have the equipment to cover this) and with Titan being based there I suppose it makes sense.
AA in the USA defers any 737 MAX return to service in its schedules until at least mid April, and this is still only an anticipation -
This infers that any UK re-certification would happen after then, as both the CAA and EASA have to approve the type and lift the grounding, plus TUI will have to commence pilot training and make flight training and flight manual revisions.
The implications of this IMHO are that this will be too late for TUI to fit their MAX-8 fleet into the Summer 2020 flying program, nor likely take any deliveries of the larger MAX -10 due in 2020.
So back to expensive short term ACMI leases and to retain the 9 757's?
This is just my Tuppence but I think is a realistic scenario.
This infers that any UK re-certification would happen after then, as both the CAA and EASA have to approve the type and lift the grounding, plus TUI will have to commence pilot training and make flight training and flight manual revisions.
The implications of this IMHO are that this will be too late for TUI to fit their MAX-8 fleet into the Summer 2020 flying program, nor likely take any deliveries of the larger MAX -10 due in 2020.
So back to expensive short term ACMI leases and to retain the 9 757's?
This is just my Tuppence but I think is a realistic scenario.
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The remaining 9 757s were staying anyway. I'm not sure where the info that they were all going this summer came from. Regardless of the max issue they are still numerous aircraft short for the supposed expansion next summer. I hope they have something up their sleeve or they are going to look very inept.
The 757's were all supposed to be gone by this winter's end, that was the plan for 757 retirement, but as we know of the 12 (3 have just gone) 9 remain and afaik their disposal has been postponed (indef?)
I don't think TUI have been inept in anyway since March when the MAX was grounded (They had 7 in service that week, with 3 more due, plus loads due for next summer, plus the -10 series too)
I think they handled the whole ACMI lease-in for their S2019 program immensely well considering the grounding occurred just weeks before the Summer season, but at a huge cost to them - The forecast was 600m euros.
The Sunwing lease arrangement of their fleet returning to Canada for the winter is a historic one as you know (Like AE did the same with Air Florida, and Air2000 with Canada3000)
But Sunwing have their own MAX grounded too, so do we assume the same number of 737NG's come back to TUI for Summer 2020?
Some that are going back to Canada now have retained G- reg's.
As it seems the RTS of the MAX rolls over to at least Q2 2020 TUI can now decide what fleet arrangements are needed to cover the groundings.
TUI have announced massive expansions and added destinations (2m more seats) so it needs planes...
I don't think TUI have been inept in anyway since March when the MAX was grounded (They had 7 in service that week, with 3 more due, plus loads due for next summer, plus the -10 series too)
I think they handled the whole ACMI lease-in for their S2019 program immensely well considering the grounding occurred just weeks before the Summer season, but at a huge cost to them - The forecast was 600m euros.
The Sunwing lease arrangement of their fleet returning to Canada for the winter is a historic one as you know (Like AE did the same with Air Florida, and Air2000 with Canada3000)
But Sunwing have their own MAX grounded too, so do we assume the same number of 737NG's come back to TUI for Summer 2020?
Some that are going back to Canada now have retained G- reg's.
As it seems the RTS of the MAX rolls over to at least Q2 2020 TUI can now decide what fleet arrangements are needed to cover the groundings.
TUI have announced massive expansions and added destinations (2m more seats) so it needs planes...
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The 757s were never all going this winter. Jethros was incorrect and still is as it says theyve all been extended.
I agree considering the short notice nature of the grounding TUI did very well to cover everything with relatively little fuss. I was making the statement that they are going to look inept should they not have a provider of aircraft or capacity up their sleeve imminently. As time is ticking on. No sign of the max issue being resolved, although just because AA have moved their RTS to April is no indication of anything. The FAA have only said this week that the recert is definitly going to slip into January.
It's not as though theres an abundance of used 738s kicking about either, jet2 are hoovering those up. And theres no appetite from Tui to introduce a new type.
I agree considering the short notice nature of the grounding TUI did very well to cover everything with relatively little fuss. I was making the statement that they are going to look inept should they not have a provider of aircraft or capacity up their sleeve imminently. As time is ticking on. No sign of the max issue being resolved, although just because AA have moved their RTS to April is no indication of anything. The FAA have only said this week that the recert is definitly going to slip into January.
It's not as though theres an abundance of used 738s kicking about either, jet2 are hoovering those up. And theres no appetite from Tui to introduce a new type.
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The 757's were all supposed to be gone by this winter's end, that was the plan for 757 retirement, but as we know of the 12 (3 have just gone) 9 remain and afaik their disposal has been postponed (indef?)
I don't think TUI have been inept in anyway since March when the MAX was grounded (They had 7 in service that week, with 3 more due, plus loads due for next summer, plus the -10 series too)
I think they handled the whole ACMI lease-in for their S2019 program immensely well considering the grounding occurred just weeks before the Summer season, but at a huge cost to them - The forecast was 600m euros.
The Sunwing lease arrangement of their fleet returning to Canada for the winter is a historic one as you know (Like AE did the same with Air Florida, and Air2000 with Canada3000)
But Sunwing have their own MAX grounded too, so do we assume the same number of 737NG's come back to TUI for Summer 2020?
Some that are going back to Canada now have retained G- reg's.
As it seems the RTS of the MAX rolls over to at least Q2 2020 TUI can now decide what fleet arrangements are needed to cover the groundings.
TUI have announced massive expansions and added destinations (2m more seats) so it needs planes...
I don't think TUI have been inept in anyway since March when the MAX was grounded (They had 7 in service that week, with 3 more due, plus loads due for next summer, plus the -10 series too)
I think they handled the whole ACMI lease-in for their S2019 program immensely well considering the grounding occurred just weeks before the Summer season, but at a huge cost to them - The forecast was 600m euros.
The Sunwing lease arrangement of their fleet returning to Canada for the winter is a historic one as you know (Like AE did the same with Air Florida, and Air2000 with Canada3000)
But Sunwing have their own MAX grounded too, so do we assume the same number of 737NG's come back to TUI for Summer 2020?
Some that are going back to Canada now have retained G- reg's.
As it seems the RTS of the MAX rolls over to at least Q2 2020 TUI can now decide what fleet arrangements are needed to cover the groundings.
TUI have announced massive expansions and added destinations (2m more seats) so it needs planes...
The 9 aircraft that have gone to Sunwing have not gone “back” to Canada, they are TUI UK aircraft that are going on lease for winter, reducing TUI’s fleet size and probably forcing them to lease in ACMI for STN and possibly other bases. It all seems silly considering they have the planes but they’ve gone to Canada, but I guess these arrangements have been in place for a while, as does the fact that all frames to go over have been younger ones with Sky Interior – most of the older 738s that TUI are stuck with were probably due to be withdrawn like ZE has been. Perhaps as a result TUI will have negotiated a more generous offering from Sunwing next summer with more of theirs coming over. They do also have the MAX but it may return to service in Canada sooner than in the UK. That being said, I think TUI are pretty reluctant to go too far with Sunwing usage as they are generally notorious for huge delays and poor performance which affects TUI’s reputation.
The expansion is certainly ambitious and probably would have been a slight challenge even with a reasonable fleet of MAXs, likely having to retain some older aircraft. Without the MAX it looks over-optimistic and they may have to make some serious decisions about cutting some of it back. I’m sure they have plans though.
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ROC10, you are correct in the B757s were never going to all be gone this early, l have said before and l say again they are all not due to leave until the winter/spring 2020/2021.