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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 14:32
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Maybe because ABR don't have authority to op non-EU a/c to Turkey?
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 14:58
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Maybe because ABR don't have authority to op non-EU a/c to Turkey?
That could be the reason, even though Turkey is not a member of the EU, I guess there may be restrictions on the Canadian a/c.

I suppose the main question is, why are the flights by ABR and not BY/TOM?
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 15:40
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Originally Posted by ROC10
That could be the reason, even though Turkey is not a member of the EU, I guess there may be restrictions on the Canadian a/c.

I suppose the main question is, why are the flights by ABR and not BY/TOM?
Sunwing flew for TUI out of LBA to DLM last year.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 16:40
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Originally Posted by ROC10
That could be the reason, even though Turkey is not a member of the EU, I guess there may be restrictions on the Canadian a/c.

I suppose the main question is, why are the flights by ABR and not BY/TOM?
From what I remember those flights were operated by ABR a few years ago and CLJ last year. Because of the lack of lease capacity this year (ABR not being available as EI-STA now operates for Aer Lingus during the winter) TOM have operated them, on behalf of ABR this year. Now I’m not 100% sure but I’ve read or heard that before and it could well be wrong. It’s something like that anyway.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 17:13
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Originally Posted by LBAflyer22
Sunwing flew for TUI out of LBA to DLM last year.
I was referring to the fact that there may be a restriction on the Canadian a/c operating from the ROI to Turkey rather than from the UK.
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 17:14
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Originally Posted by Fly757X


From what I remember those flights were operated by ABR a few years ago and CLJ last year. Because of the lack of lease capacity this year (ABR not being available as EI-STA now operates for Aer Lingus during the winter) TOM have operated them, on behalf of ABR this year. Now I’m not 100% sure but I’ve read or heard that before and it could well be wrong. It’s something like that anyway.
I see, so these may not be TUI Holiday flights at all then?
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Old 3rd Sep 2019, 22:01
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Originally Posted by ROC10
I see, so these may not be TUI Holiday flights at all then?
They are, however there were originally supposed to be ASL operating on behalf of TUI. So what I’ve read in to it is essentially... TUI operating on behalf of ASL who were supposed to be operating on behalf of TUI in the first place. Again I’m not sure and I’d imagine someone will know more but that’s what I’ve heard.
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Old 4th Sep 2019, 05:13
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TUI Holidays have now quite a lot of 3rd party airlines flying for them during the past few summers instead of using in-house TUI Airways, with departures mainly out of the Outstations -
EXT NWI CWL SOU SEN BOH BRS ABZ DUB to name a few.

Volotea, Freebird, Alba Star, Sunwing, Flybe, Norwegian, ASL - Not just ACMI charters to cover the MAX debacle, but many regular charter series for the past few summers...Turkey, Spain and the Canaries being the majority of flights but not exclusively so.
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Originally Posted by rog747
TUI Holidays have now quite a lot of 3rd party airlines flying for them during the past few summers instead of using in-house TUI Airways, with departures mainly out of the Outstations -
EXT NWI CWL SOU SEN BOH BRS ABZ DUB to name a few.

Volotea, Freebird, Alba Star, Sunwing, Flybe, Norwegian, ASL - Not just ACMI charters to cover the MAX debacle, but many regular charter series for the past few summers...Turkey, Spain and the Canaries being the majority of flights but not exclusively so.
I don’t think this was in doubt. I think the question is surrounding ROI to Turkey.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 18:16
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How did they operate in 2018, I can't remember but I think it was Sunwing aircraft. They are trying to end this in 2020.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 18:31
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Originally Posted by EI-EIDW
How did they operate in 2018, I can't remember but I think it was Sunwing aircraft. They are trying to end this in 2020.
As in end the Sunwing agreement?
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 18:38
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DUB-DLM didnt operate with TUI in 2018. It was re introduced this year along with DUB PFO. EI-STA operated it until 2017 but the route was dropped for S18.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 19:00
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Originally Posted by Fly757X
As in end the Sunwing agreement?
No having to send over an aircraft operate DUB-DLM.
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 19:06
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Originally Posted by EI-EIDW


No having to send over an aircraft operate DUB-DLM.
Ah right sorry I was wondering! Booked on BFS-TFS for next year so I was just wondering. Cheers!
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Old 5th Sep 2019, 20:04
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Originally Posted by ROC10
I flew on G-TAWO recently, and whilst boarding, I noticed that the words “Operated by Thomson Airways” were to the right of the forward door.

I found this a bit surprising, considering they have been officially called TUI Airways since late 2017. I flew on this same aircraft in January and can’t remember seeing this (although it may well have been there).

It actually made me wonder whether this is legally/technically incorrect or am I overthinking it? Regardless, I feel it should probably have been removed/updated by this point, unless they are reverting to an official name of Thomson Airways (seems very unlikely)?
now says 'Operated by TUI Airways'

Thanks for the heads up.....
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 01:46
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From FR24, it looks like all the aircraft leased by Tui from Olympus have gone to Athens - presumably due to the summer peak being over and the extra lift no longer being needed.
Can anyone confirm this is the case, or will these aircraft be returning to Tui service before the end of October ?

Assuming the 737 Max returns to service by April 2020, should we expect Olympus aircraft to be back with Tui again in summer 2020 or is this rather unlikely ?
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 06:41
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TUI are in an awkward position over decisions that have to be made now over capacity and lift required for next summer.
Re the 737 MAX they are 9 aircraft down (AOG) for this summer and more were due for delivery next year.

Around 10-12 757's have had there time with TUI extended for this summer, but are slated to currently go (withdrawn or sold) during, or at the end of the upcoming winter season.
So do TUI still hang onto those for next summer's plans just in case, plus the 2 767's?
The 757's may need costly MX checks to further extend their time with TUI, but faced with more ACMI charter costs that maybe more beneficial to hang on to them.

The 757's are used for the busy longer winter routes such as Cape Verde Islands and Hurghada which are popular winter sun destinations where the MAX was due to take over these.
As for the 737 MAX RTS - How long is a piece of string?

Keeping the 757's going for another year maybe IMHO very wise, but I guess there have been plenty of boardroom meetings happening now at TUI HQ.

Hanging onto them though if the MAX does not return for next summer, will still see a lack of capacity unless TUI cancels holidays.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 17:10
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Originally Posted by rog747
The 757's are used for the busy longer winter routes such as Cape Verde Islands and Hurghada
All relative, but not sure id call either of those busy routes.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 21:15
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Don’t think all the 757s are going at the end of the Winter season. Although a few may go, confirmed to me by a TUI 757 Captain that they’ll be around for a few years yet.
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Old 17th Sep 2019, 21:18
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Originally Posted by liam4393
Don’t think all the 757s are going at the end of the Winter season. Although a few may go, confirmed to me by a TUI 757 Captain that they’ll be around for a few years yet.
They were originally all planned to be gone before S20
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