TUI Airways

[SWBKCB]

TUI has revised its full-year guidance, stating that it expects a 17% reduction in underlying EBITA, whereas it had previously indicated that the figure would be “broadly flat” compared with last year’s level of €1.117 milion. But it adds that, should the grounding persist beyond mid-July, this reduction will increase to 26%.

TUI has taken steps to secure capacity for the Easter holiday period and the initial part of the summer season, activating spare aircraft within its fleet and extending leases for aircraft which were due for replacement by 737 Max jets. The company says it is also leasing-in additional aircraft.

Flight - "TUI sources capacity as it outlines impact of Max grounding"

[azz767]

There is also an article saying the 767's are getting a cabin refurb. Are they going to lose their IFE? Its one of the main reasons we always select the 767 flight to IBZ when we go in the summer

[2Para]

Wonder will we see the sunwing aircraft any earlier?

[Cazza_fly]

Originally Posted by azz767

There is also an article saying the 767's are getting a cabin refurb. Are they going to lose their IFE? Its one of the main reasons we always select the 767 flight to IBZ when we go in the summer

The plan is not to lose the IFE as they are planned for long-haul Scandi ops. However, i definitely can't see the benefit of IFE on a 2 hour flight to IBZ that would be the main reason for booking?

[davidjohnson6]

From whom are TUI going to source 737 Max replacements ? There aren't that many ACMI 150+ seat aircraft floating around from airlines that would be considered reliable enough for this. Leasing a worn out 30 year old A320 from a startup in a country in Europe that is sourcing aircraft from a boneyard and crewed with super-cheap labour is probably not ideal, unless TUI are prepared to deal with the bad PR when it (most likely) all goes wrong in July (probably while French ATC are on strike, just to make thing more interesting !)

[ROC10]

Does anyone know why G-TAWG today flew:

BHX-ORK-EDI
(12 hours on ground at EDI)
EDI-ORK-GLA

Edit: after a quick search I’m assuming a rugby charter.

[rog747]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

From whom are TUI going to source 737 Max replacements ? There aren't that many ACMI 150+ seat aircraft floating around from airlines that would be considered reliable enough for this. Leasing a worn out 30 year old A320 from a startup in a country in Europe that is sourcing aircraft from a boneyard and crewed with super-cheap labour is probably not ideal, unless TUI are prepared to deal with the bad PR when it (most likely) all goes wrong in July (probably while French ATC are on strike, just to make thing more interesting !)

Indeed, ACMI Leasing from less well known and perhaps less salubrious airlines is well underway with both TUI and TCK for many years
Sunwing Smartwings Smartlynx etc etc

There could be some aircraft out there from failed airlines ie: WOW Cobalt Primera Small Planet and Germania.

TUI, Jet2, Icelandic and TCK have all recently retired 757's but it seems their fates are either freighter conversations or the scrap-man.

TUI are using more 3rd party airlines from outstations such as Norwegian Air Europa Freebird Albastar and Volotea.

Titan AW are likely to have their fleet already booked out with BA and Jet2, plus they have their own IT work all of which was in situ before the MAX debacle

Other ACMI airlines include EuroAtlantic Air Belgium Evelop Wamos HiFly and Privilege Style

[Buster the Bear]

Jettime are working their backsides off subbing for TUI currently. They already have a strong relationship with the brand after TUI Nordic closure.

[rog747]

Ah - thanks and Enter Air works with TUI Poland

[Cloud1]

Actually most have been and continue to be Titan with some Privilege for Nordics. I think Air Tanker are doing the odd rotation too.

Not aware that any of the other airlines listed by posters have been sourced yet. Also haven’t seen jettime doing any subs for Nordics since the Max stopped only Privilege and a G-reg B737 from TOM that went over.

[compton3bravo]

The aircraft ROC10 did a charter for the rugby match between Edinburgh and Munster at Murrayfield.I hope that helps.

[VC10man]

I hope Thomson (TUI is a daft name) keep their 757s longer and get back the ones which were retired a few weeks ago. Much nicer plane than a boring 737!

[VickersVicount]

... but increasingly expensive to maintain and poorer fuel efficiency?

[737James]

I know a few people keep saying about the poorer fuel efficiency of the 757 compared to the 737/Max, Does anybody know how much trip fuel a full 757 take off with on say BHX-LCA compared to the 737 which i know would be around 14 Tonnes for 738 maybe a bit less for the Max.

[rog747]

757 can carry up to 228-235 pax v.v the 737-800 with 189 pax

757 burns around 3.3 to 3.5 or so tonnes ph

738 2.5 tonnes 189 pax
A321 2.7 tonnes 220 pax

BAC 1-11 500 2.8 tonnes 119 pax
Comet 4C 4 tonnes 119 pax
Trident 3 4.5 tonnes 139 pax
707-320/420 6.5-7 tonnes 189 pax
VC-10 6.5 tonnes 135 pax

fuel burn figs are ''rough'' but a guide

[rog747]

757 capabilities

Originally Posted by 737James

I know a few people keep saying about the poorer fuel efficiency of the 757 compared to the 737/Max, Does anybody know how much trip fuel a full 757 take off with on say BHX-LCA compared to the 737 which i know would be around 14 Tonnes for 738 maybe a bit less for the Max.

This just came up on the 757 nostalgia thread and highlights what you can do with a 757 that a 737-800 or an A321 can never match...

In 1991 an Air Europe Capt flew KHI-LGW nonstop in 9h 5m with 229 pax (all heavy Danes going home from holiday in BKK to CPH)

Quote from the skipper - (Brakedwell)
The planned routing was BKK - KHI - BEL - LGW - Copenhagen with a full load of large Danes. I was keen to reduce the aggro caused by an impending Gulf War and used every trick I had learned when flying DC-8 freighters. As it was a night flight traffic was light and we were given optimum flight levels for most of the route. I used manual throttles a lot as the auto-throttles tended to hunt up and down at that time. Numerous direct routings also helped. At TOD around Abbeville the fuel was comfortably above the line and well above the legal minimum on shut down.

I wonder if that puts him in the 757 record books ?
KHI-LGW with 229 pax in 9h 5m

Another skipper managed to fly Puerto Plata (POP) to Manchester with an almost a full load in just 8h 50m and another Capt mentions he tried to do POP to LGW but chickened out and went to Cardiff for some gas after 8h 20m. It was a VERY full load of 233 and some very old 'children' on the load sheet,(if you know what I mean)!!

I was Ops controller at Ogdens when we handled AE until the end so I may have met Capt ''Brakedwell''
I often wandered out to the 757's to see how the turnarounds were going...
A few pals were AE CC and my flatmate was a BY 757/767 skipper

We shall all miss the 757

[dmouse88]

Originally Posted by VC10man

I hope Thomson (TUI is a daft name) keep their 757s longer and get back the ones which were retired a few weeks ago. Much nicer plane than a boring 737!

TUI is a tla from the initial company in Germany. Tourisk Union International.

[VC10man]

Originally Posted by dmouse88

TUI is a tla from the initial company in Germany. Tourisk Union International.

I know it is now a German company but it trades on the London Stock Exchange and the brand "Thomson" was well known and respected. I think it is a marketing mistake to change it to a silly sounding childish name like TUI which rhymes with huwey.

[Cazza_fly]

Originally Posted by VC10man

I know it is now a German company but it trades on the London Stock Exchange and the brand "Thomson" was well known and respected. I think it is a marketing mistake to change it to a silly sounding childish name like TUI which rhymes with huwey.

TUI is almost as old as Thomson. I'm sure most would agree that the UK market would have preferred to have retained the well known Thomson name, but operationally and logistically it makes sense to keep the masterbrand under one name across all their markets. Especially markets in which they all serve. They have managed to keep a number of sub-brands in their local country markets including First Choice Holidays and Skytours in the UK.

TUI were very clever at introducing their name and image steadily from 2002. Bringing their brands and family under the "World of TUI" umbrella. Initially standardising the then Britannia Airways, Lunn Poly and Thomson names under the same look and smile logo. The UK market has thus come to know this very well.

I don't quite understand how anyone can see the companies 'acronym' of TUI sound childish? I suppose it could be more childish to think it ryhmes with random names...

[sparkie320]

Do we know what bases the Sunwings are using this year assume NWI BFS DUB but not sure on LBA
4 are coming across with possibly a 5th
also who looking are maintance was MRL at LBA

Mark