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Old 8th Mar 2020, 14:31
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Originally Posted by ROC10
Planespotters is now indicating that TOM will only acquire four (1x Norwegian, 3x FlyDubai) second-hand B738s. Jethros is still showing nine aircraft.
Planespotters.net only lists the ones they know the MSNs for; it doesn't mean that more won't be joining... for example, Jethro's predicts that there is one coming from Malysian but Planespotters.net cannot show it because they don't know the specific aircraft involved. So neither site is incorrect, they just show information differently. Don't read into it too much. I'd heard there would be more than the 9 joining but who knows.
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 16:55
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Pegasus 738 TC-IZG currently on ground at DGX. Is that one that TUI are due?
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 21:42
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Originally Posted by JamesC787
Pegasus 738 TC-IZG currently on ground at DGX. Is that one that TUI are due?
This is the c/n of the one listed in Jethros so I would say yes.
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 21:49
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Originally Posted by pabely
This is the c/n of the one listed in Jethros so I would say yes.
The one on Jethros is TC-IZE
37740 / 2638

The other is an unknown Pegasus but it’s likely it may be TC-IZG mentioned above.
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Old 9th Mar 2020, 23:35
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Rescue flights 09/03/20:

LGW-TRN-LGW (757)
EMA-TRN-EDI (738) (flight normally operates to/from GLA but airport likely closed)
MAN-TRN-MAN (757)

According to FR24, TOM have seven weekly flights to TRN (all on Sundays). Flights to BHX, BRS, and STN will presumably operate tomorrow (if allowed). There is also a second LGW flight (737) and the MAN flight is normally a 763 so extra capacity may be required on that route.

Nothing to/from VRN as of yet.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 18:06
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Anyone know why today’s BY858/9 LGW-NBE-LGW operated LGW-PMI-LGW? It left LGW around 7 hours late and was certainly heading to NBE but diverted to PMI. It is now heading back to LGW without going to NBE. The MAN-NBE flight is now airborne but also looks like it may be heading to PMI (very rough guess based on FR24 heading). The plan seems to be for the inbound NBE-LGW to operate tonight with the NBE-MAN postponed to tomorrow.

I haven’t seen anything on Tunisia banning flights but it looks like this may be the case.

Jet2 have also cancelled flights to Cyprus. TUI had a flight there from MAN today but I’m not sure whether or not there were passengers onboard.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 18:35
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Originally Posted by ROC10
Anyone know why today’s BY858/9 LGW-NBE-LGW operated LGW-PMI-LGW? It left LGW around 7 hours late and was certainly heading to NBE but diverted to PMI. It is now heading back to LGW without going to NBE. The MAN-NBE flight is now airborne but also looks like it may be heading to PMI (very rough guess based on FR24 heading). The plan seems to be for the inbound NBE-LGW to operate tonight with the NBE-MAN postponed to tomorrow.

I haven’t seen anything on Tunisia banning flights but it looks like this may be the case.

Jet2 have also cancelled flights to Cyprus. TUI had a flight there from MAN today but I’m not sure whether or not there were passengers onboard.
Tunisia closed its boarders. Presumably whilst the aircraft was inflight.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 18:48
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Czechia, Denmark, Slovakia and Tunisia are all closing their borders to non-residents/citizens. Spain is going into emergency decree mode. Italy has effectively shut down international flights. I expect more of the same over the next 2 weeks

Can TUI survive a summer of (almost) zero revenue ?
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 18:50
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Yes, Tunisia refused the aircraft entry
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 19:03
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Czechia, Denmark, Slovakia and Tunisia are all closing their borders to non-residents/citizens. Spain is going into emergency decree mode. Italy has effectively shut down international flights. I expect more of the same over the next 2 weeks

Can TUI survive a summer of (almost) zero revenue ?
TUI and Jet2 are both largely at risk I'd say. Especially with TUI having a cruise business. This was previously reported to be one of their saving graces but is now likely to be a massive burden.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 19:03
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Tunisia closed its boarders. Presumably whilst the aircraft was inflight.
I assume holidays cancelled and refunds will be given?

EDIT: The MAN flight still seems to be heading for Tunisia so perhaps they will try again tomorrow. Although this may just be for repatriation purposes.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 21:13
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It was reported today that TUI group are £2bn in debt. An equal sum is in held in cash reserves, but could be paid out in holiday refunds. The tour operator is using ‘force majeure’ terms to freeze pre-payments and suspend contracts with hotels as customers cancel bookings during the Covid-19 pandemic.

It told the newspaper it is also stopping recruitment and looking at reducing staff hours.

“Since the recent outbreak of the coronavirus and its pace of spread across the world, the global travel industry has experienced significant uncertainty which has led into reduced customer demand and weaker bookings over the last couple of weeks,” said a Tui spokesperson.

“We are continuously monitoring the situation very closely and actively evaluating the implications for the business. Therefore we are in close contact with our hotel partners worldwide, jointly reviewing options for capacity management, to mitigate the impact for both Tui and its partners.”
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 14:20
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So far, TUI have cancelled:
  • Alicante
  • Cyprus
  • Malta
  • Tunisia
  • Italy
  • Goa
  • Sri Lanka
  • Jamaica
some of these are due to compulsory government action, of course.

Stricter procedures on Thailand and Vietnam.

Universal and Disney are also closed in Orlando.

https://www.tui.co.uk/destinations/t...us-information
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 16:43
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It looks like TUI have also cancelled all Canaries flights. Nothing official AFAIK but all outbounds just now seem to be ferries. If this is true, most TUI bases will be closed next week with no departures and only some rescue inbounds.

All Spanish airports will probably be locked down soon anyway though.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 17:28
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This is bad beyond belief. Many good people work at the TUI HQ and in the hangar at Luton who must be so worried for their future.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 18:19
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TUi need HM Govt to mandate, no refunds, only deferrals of flights and holidays. Completely unpopular, but might permit the airlines to survive. Handing back balances and deposits, could be terminal?
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 18:24
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Updated now, similar for other countries but Spain is most significant, of course.

Holidays to Spain, Canary Islands, Balearics Islands

Following local measures put in place by the Spanish Authorities, including closing some hotel facilities and the local bars, restaurants and beaches we have made the difficult decision to cancel holidays due to travel between 14th and 29th March.

Customers due to travel to the Spain, Canary Islands and Balearics Islands between 15th and 17th March will have their holiday automatically cancelled and refunded. There is no need to call us.

Customers due to travel to Spain, Canary Islands and Balearics Islands between 18th and 28th March we will call you to rearrange your holiday or offer a full-refund.

Customers due to travel after 29th March, please bear with us as we prioritise customers due to travel in the next two weeks. We would like to thank our customers for their understanding.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 18:27
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Like Flybe, TUI will need to fight for its own survival or fall.
Passengers who have paid for their holidays cannot be expected to be held to ransom to keep the airline afloat.
Reality, unfortunately
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 18:30
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Remaining destinations (based on process of elimination, please post if incorrect):
  • Morocco
  • Cape Verde
  • Egypt
  • Mexico
  • Vietnam (Visa required)
  • Thailand (more info must be provided via mobile app)
  • Mauritius
  • Caribbean (other than Jamaica)
All cruises have been cancelled.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 18:40
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But if holidaymakers want to keep to Europe they are stuffed. Also they would need new holiday insurance except new insurance policies taken out now exclude issues linked to the virus.
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