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another 2 leaving and no sign of anything else joining!!!
been watching this thread which is very interesting, loads of planned expansion, grounded Max’s, 737/757’s aircraft leaving the fleet etc
10-12 ex Pegasus 737’s were mentioned above - would this solve the cunundrum?
always used to like going on holiday with Thomson/tui as the flights were on G regs, on time and very reliable .hope they don’t go down the Avion Express et al route as TC did which in my view would spoil their quality brand.
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Not sure what the country of registration of the aircraft has to do with anything. And they weren't / aren't always on time and very reliable. Are you possibly overlooking the summer leases on Sunwing equipment in recent years, and going back a little the Irish A320s that Thomson used. The words tinted, rose and glasses come to mind, but not necessarily in that order!
just need to read the pilots section to be slightly worried if an Eastern European registered aircraft turns up ( for example google smart wings and an incident this summer).
Sunwings (C registered) and Irish A320’s not G registered so there’s the link!
In summary you have no idea where the additional aircraft are coming from either!
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Yes, G-FDZF has flown to AUH and, according to Planespotters, has been WFU and is now stored. Interesting that it went straight from CWL while G-TAWL ferried in from LGW to replace it. Normally they are withdrawn from the larger bases or go via the likes of DGX, QLA, etc first.
Basically Summer 2019 saw a right old ACMI mish-mash turning up for TUI's flights (and we will see the same for S20) but they got the program covered without too much hoo-hah.
Titan are an established ACMI airline and G- reg'd.
Norwegian are OK, as is Evelop, Air Europa, and Alba Star.
I would be perhaps less than comfy on say Sunwing/Smartwings/avion/freebird/smartlynx/Olympus/ASL/Correndon et al mainly in terms of the reliability of the service and of the comfort, rather than any safety issues.
However, Smartwings have had a huge incident this summer with an engine failure and shutdown on a 737-800NG out of Chania that continued on to home base at Prague.
The aircraft was enroute at FL360 when the #1 engine failed. The crew reported a "maintenance issue" to ATC and requested to descend to FL240. No PAN or emergency call was issued. The crew attempted to restart the engine twice unsuccessfully. The captain decided the nearest suitable aerodrome to be Prague and continued to Prague without informing ATC along the 2:20 hours route after the engine failure until in contact with Prague ATC, when the crew declared a PAN and reported #1 engine had failed. The aircraft landed OK. A failed fuel pump caused the engine to starve, metallic chips were found in the fuel filter. Both parts were shipped for expert examination. An investigation into the occurrence rated a serious incident is continuing.
Previously Sunwing had a major incident taking off out of Belfast.
Titan are an established ACMI airline and G- reg'd.
Norwegian are OK, as is Evelop, Air Europa, and Alba Star.
I would be perhaps less than comfy on say Sunwing/Smartwings/avion/freebird/smartlynx/Olympus/ASL/Correndon et al mainly in terms of the reliability of the service and of the comfort, rather than any safety issues.
However, Smartwings have had a huge incident this summer with an engine failure and shutdown on a 737-800NG out of Chania that continued on to home base at Prague.
The aircraft was enroute at FL360 when the #1 engine failed. The crew reported a "maintenance issue" to ATC and requested to descend to FL240. No PAN or emergency call was issued. The crew attempted to restart the engine twice unsuccessfully. The captain decided the nearest suitable aerodrome to be Prague and continued to Prague without informing ATC along the 2:20 hours route after the engine failure until in contact with Prague ATC, when the crew declared a PAN and reported #1 engine had failed. The aircraft landed OK. A failed fuel pump caused the engine to starve, metallic chips were found in the fuel filter. Both parts were shipped for expert examination. An investigation into the occurrence rated a serious incident is continuing.
Previously Sunwing had a major incident taking off out of Belfast.
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Basically Summer 2019 saw a right old ACMI mish-mash turning up for TUI's flights (and we will see the same for S20) but they got the program covered without too much hoo-hah.
Titan are an established ACMI airline and G- reg'd.
Norwegian are OK, as is Evelop, Air Europa, and Alba Star.
I would be perhaps less than comfy on say Sunwing/Smartwings/avion/freebird/smartlynx/Olympus/ASL/Correndon et al mainly in terms of the reliability of the service and of the comfort, rather than any safety issues.
However, Smartwings have had a huge incident this summer with an engine failure and shutdown on a 737-800NG out of Chania that continued on to home base at Prague.
The aircraft was enroute at FL360 when the #1 engine failed. The crew reported a "maintenance issue" to ATC and requested to descend to FL240. No PAN or emergency call was issued. The crew attempted to restart the engine twice unsuccessfully. The captain decided the nearest suitable aerodrome to be Prague and continued to Prague without informing ATC along the 2:20 hours route after the engine failure until in contact with Prague ATC, when the crew declared a PAN and reported #1 engine had failed. The aircraft landed OK. A failed fuel pump caused the engine to starve, metallic chips were found in the fuel filter. Both parts were shipped for expert examination. An investigation into the occurrence rated a serious incident is continuing.
Previously Sunwing had a major incident taking off out of Belfast.
Titan are an established ACMI airline and G- reg'd.
Norwegian are OK, as is Evelop, Air Europa, and Alba Star.
I would be perhaps less than comfy on say Sunwing/Smartwings/avion/freebird/smartlynx/Olympus/ASL/Correndon et al mainly in terms of the reliability of the service and of the comfort, rather than any safety issues.
However, Smartwings have had a huge incident this summer with an engine failure and shutdown on a 737-800NG out of Chania that continued on to home base at Prague.
The aircraft was enroute at FL360 when the #1 engine failed. The crew reported a "maintenance issue" to ATC and requested to descend to FL240. No PAN or emergency call was issued. The crew attempted to restart the engine twice unsuccessfully. The captain decided the nearest suitable aerodrome to be Prague and continued to Prague without informing ATC along the 2:20 hours route after the engine failure until in contact with Prague ATC, when the crew declared a PAN and reported #1 engine had failed. The aircraft landed OK. A failed fuel pump caused the engine to starve, metallic chips were found in the fuel filter. Both parts were shipped for expert examination. An investigation into the occurrence rated a serious incident is continuing.
Previously Sunwing had a major incident taking off out of Belfast.
BA had the 777 crash and the A319 engine cowling incident. Would you rule them out if they were an option for TUI to charter?
The fact that every one of these Airlines are regulated by CAA should instil confidence.
TUI have had time to prepare for this. They wouldnt have sat back and waited for the grounding to be extended without having a backup plan, especially given the volume of expansion that's been announced. Last summer was very last minute.
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Just returned from a week's holiday with TUI to Fuerteventura. Out 0n 25.12 and returned on 01.01 (BHX-FUE) really pleased to travel on a 757 both ways, been a long time since I've been in one, and how comfortable it was in extra legroom seats in row 11 immediately left after boarding. It reminded me of what a lovely a/c it is, shame it's going.
Ryanair say they will not now see their MAX's in service before OCT, MOL speaking to the Press on Friday. It’s possible we’ll only get the first jets in October 2020.
O’Leary has previously said it would not take orders in July or August because it is the airline’s busiest time of the year.
Implications for TUI UK will be likely the same for them, Thus I cannot see any return to service in the main for TUI until for the following summer in 2021.
TUI would not need new MAX deliveries to be introduced during the winter 20-21 season.
They have 6 already grounded in UK/EU, plus a handful of brand new ones parked up at Boeing.
TUI also had a large MAX -10 order that was due to start for S20
O’Leary has previously said it would not take orders in July or August because it is the airline’s busiest time of the year.
Implications for TUI UK will be likely the same for them, Thus I cannot see any return to service in the main for TUI until for the following summer in 2021.
TUI would not need new MAX deliveries to be introduced during the winter 20-21 season.
They have 6 already grounded in UK/EU, plus a handful of brand new ones parked up at Boeing.
TUI also had a large MAX -10 order that was due to start for S20
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Yet again, Chambery Airport seems to be causing chaos today with the ski flights. Some flights due to depart first thing this morning simply didn’t depart with others being diverted elsewhere (LYS) and many showing “cancelled” on FR24 (I know TUI don’t really cancel flights but who knows when they will “catch up” with these). It looks like rather than flying LYS-CMF, passengers are being bussed to LYS for the return flights. I understand this will be mostly out of TUI’s control but wouldn’t it be easier if they just operated elsewhere for their ski flights? Most flights are seeing delays upwards of 5-6 hours which won’t be cheap.
Is it weather related at Chambery today or ATC (or both) ROC10?
We always had trouble using that airport many years ago, but the SKI tour operators want to go there for the easy access to the slopes, except when it all goes Pete Tong and the posh skiers all get very grumpy
We always had trouble using that airport many years ago, but the SKI tour operators want to go there for the easy access to the slopes, except when it all goes Pete Tong and the posh skiers all get very grumpy
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Yet again, Chambery Airport seems to be causing chaos today with the ski flights. Some flights due to depart first thing this morning simply didn’t depart with others being diverted elsewhere (LYS) and many showing “cancelled” on FR24 (I know TUI don’t really cancel flights but who knows when they will “catch up” with these). It looks like rather than flying LYS-CMF, passengers are being bussed to LYS for the return flights. I understand this will be mostly out of TUI’s control but wouldn’t it be easier if they just operated elsewhere for their ski flights? Most flights are seeing delays upwards of 5-6 hours which won’t be cheap.
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The majority of the time CMF works for the ski resorts it serves. There is the occasional issue with weather that causes delays and diversions, but generally this doesn't happen that often. As an Airline/Tour Operator, you don't plan where you fly based on potential bad weather and a few days of disruption over the whole season. You go to the most convenient Airport that works and deal with disruption on the day. Generally TUI preplan diversions (LYS mainly) based on bad weather forecasts at CMF and operate straight there meaning transfers are better organised and delays reduced.
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CMF is notorious for weather issues. It's location in the mountains is as already stated advantageous for skiers but the approach and departure to the airport is complex and airlines require approved crews to operate it.
Because the weather minima are so high here, it does result in more than the average level of days where weather is below limits. I have a vague recollection that Jet2 pulled out of CMF due to the levels of weather disruption being experienced there.
Finally ROC10, don't take FR24 as gospel at CMF - it is frequently wrong. There are for example Titan operations I have noted going in and out which are not listed at all which may be additions or have replaced the listed TUI ops but not been updated.
Because the weather minima are so high here, it does result in more than the average level of days where weather is below limits. I have a vague recollection that Jet2 pulled out of CMF due to the levels of weather disruption being experienced there.
Finally ROC10, don't take FR24 as gospel at CMF - it is frequently wrong. There are for example Titan operations I have noted going in and out which are not listed at all which may be additions or have replaced the listed TUI ops but not been updated.
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TUI post booking service
A first world problem I know but having recently booked a TUI holiday with a flight from Manchester to Cancun I've tried to update my booking using their app to include Champagne and Chocolates on the way out. I'm finding I just get and error message on their app, they are not contactable by phone and the TUI stores is unable to help. Not a big deal I know but you would think airlines would want customers to pay for those little extras.
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CMF is notorious for weather issues. It's location in the mountains is as already stated advantageous for skiers but the approach and departure to the airport is complex and airlines require approved crews to operate it.
Because the weather minima are so high here, it does result in more than the average level of days where weather is below limits. I have a vague recollection that Jet2 pulled out of CMF due to the levels of weather disruption being experienced there.
Finally ROC10, don't take FR24 as gospel at CMF - it is frequently wrong. There are for example Titan operations I have noted going in and out which are not listed at all which may be additions or have replaced the listed TUI ops but not been updated.
Because the weather minima are so high here, it does result in more than the average level of days where weather is below limits. I have a vague recollection that Jet2 pulled out of CMF due to the levels of weather disruption being experienced there.
Finally ROC10, don't take FR24 as gospel at CMF - it is frequently wrong. There are for example Titan operations I have noted going in and out which are not listed at all which may be additions or have replaced the listed TUI ops but not been updated.
I’ve been in and out of Chambery many times over the years and have breezed through on some occasions (even with snow on the ground) and had relatively minor delays of a couple of hours on others. Arguably worst experience was a very turbulent departure last March.
When I have a choice I would always choose Geneva or Lyon when visiting the Alps and luckily I’m avoiding Chambery for both my trips to the Alps this year. I do however understand why the likes of Tui see it as a good option of a speedy entry to many of the main ski resorts, it’s just that when the combination of weather, geography and small airport infrastructure are mixed together it tends to go very wrong, very fast. That certainly looks to be what happened on Saturday!
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A first world problem I know but having recently booked a TUI holiday with a flight from Manchester to Cancun I've tried to update my booking using their app to include Champagne and Chocolates on the way out. I'm finding I just get and error message on their app, they are not contactable by phone and the TUI stores is unable to help. Not a big deal I know but you would think airlines would want customers to pay for those little extras.
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Does anyone have any news on where TUI are going to acquire aircraft to make up the numbers required for their expanded Summer 2020 season?
There seems to be more aircraft leaving than arriving, and it is quite obvious the the MAX issues will not be resolved for the start of the season.
There seems to be more aircraft leaving than arriving, and it is quite obvious the the MAX issues will not be resolved for the start of the season.
Does anyone have any news on where TUI are going to acquire aircraft to make up the numbers required for their expanded Summer 2020 season?
There seems to be more aircraft leaving than arriving, and it is quite obvious the the MAX issues will not be resolved for the start of the season.
There seems to be more aircraft leaving than arriving, and it is quite obvious the the MAX issues will not be resolved for the start of the season.
However - with more TUI 757's and some older 738's being retired and no announcements as yet of any ACMI leases being arranged it seems TUI is still working hard to procure enough hardware to fulfil their S20 series.
For my tuppence - The MAX is unlikely to return for all or any of the S20 season, and their 9 or so grounded 737-8's were due to be joined by the new larger MAX-10 series for S20.
The-10 has a pax capacity similar to the 757.
Titan have placed many of their a/c already with Jet2 for S20, and Smartlynx are also been working now with Jet2.
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Don't forget though TUI UK are up two 789's on last summer with G-TUIN/O being delivered a couple of months ago.
This frees up some 788's to do some short haul flying, like the 767's have done for years. This will increase capacity at bases like MAN and LGW. This obviously won't account for all of the extra lift needed. But up gauging a route from say a 738 to a 788, frees a 738 to operate somewhere else whilst also increasing capacity on the original route.
AFAIK both 767's were due to be gone from the UK by now too, but YG will return to operate alongside YH at MAN all summer.
Will there be any spare capacity from other TUI airlines? Rather than having to outsource is there any flexibility within the group to get spare a/c across. I'm thinking the extra two 767's in Scandi for example.
This frees up some 788's to do some short haul flying, like the 767's have done for years. This will increase capacity at bases like MAN and LGW. This obviously won't account for all of the extra lift needed. But up gauging a route from say a 738 to a 788, frees a 738 to operate somewhere else whilst also increasing capacity on the original route.
AFAIK both 767's were due to be gone from the UK by now too, but YG will return to operate alongside YH at MAN all summer.
Will there be any spare capacity from other TUI airlines? Rather than having to outsource is there any flexibility within the group to get spare a/c across. I'm thinking the extra two 767's in Scandi for example.