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Old 14th Oct 2019, 12:26
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Originally Posted by LBAflyer22 View Post
Jet2 already has established relationship with ACMI operators.

TUI have advised they are adding 2,000,000 extra seats - i'm waiting with baited breath to find out where, to where, how many. This is what makes me also hold with baited breath - they've said put a lot into the press release with no evidence. Jet2 do the other way round, do the work, evidence it with flights on sale & in the timetable and then the press release.
Tui also have longstanding relationships with those ACMI operators (even air tanker, just not in the UK) both for long and short periods, so not sure what your angle is there?

Jet2 have also said they will be expanding but I haven't seen any details yet? apart from the extra capacity during October half term? So again no real difference there?
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 12:39
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The crew at BHX were under the impression that the WIFI was to be on all the 787,Max aircraft and the 738s that have the Sky cabin which is G-FDZT onwards I believe . Having used it on Norwegian before I personally think this is a value added product that leisure customers would use especially on the longer routes down to Eastern Med and Canaries where there is no IFE. I understand from the service providers that it is actually quite an easy install with only a few days of downtime to retrofit the equipment.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 15:50
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Does anyone know why G-TUII positioned LGW-STN as ZT9006, did nothing for two days, then positioned STN-MAN as TOM676F?
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 18:16
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Originally Posted by ROC10 View Post
Does anyone know why G-TUII positioned LGW-STN as ZT9006, did nothing for two days, then positioned STN-MAN as TOM676F?
would guess engine change
as i was at STN 12th saw a 787 emerge from the diamond hangar, puff of smoke on a engine test
departed latter that day it seems
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 18:38
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Originally Posted by sparkie320 View Post
would guess engine change
as i was at STN 12th saw a 787 emerge from the diamond hangar, puff of smoke on a engine test
departed latter that day it seems
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It was idle at LGW for over 4 days prior to going to STN so that would make sense. Doesnít explain the Titan flight number but I suppose this was probably a FR24 error.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Yeehaw22 View Post
Tui also have longstanding relationships with those ACMI operators (even air tanker, just not in the UK) both for long and short periods, so not sure what your angle is there?
Jet2 have also said they will be expanding but I haven't seen any details yet? apart from the extra capacity during October half term? So again no real difference there?
They do but considering it is rumoured that the 3 Tankers are going to join Jet2 (2 already signed in to long term contracts), Titan and Jet2 work hand in hand very well together, they've had a good relationship with Air Europa in the past and also started using SmartLynx (who's biggest customer was TC). The strength to TUI here is Sunwing.

Can you please evidence where Jet2 have said they are expanding for S20? There is nothing out there to suggest this. Instead it is all hearsay, all rumours, and all been worked on within the airline. It is inventible,however it is the forums that take ideas and run with them at 1000mph. This is different to TUI who have announced the extra seats, extra flights, but never really given me anything. I want TUI to expand but i just can't see how at the moment they will - other than Sunwing.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 22:08
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Do you honestly think they would announce it without the plans in place? They have been at this game a while now. And doubt it will be a huge sunwing increase as they dont have a huge fleet themselves.

Am sure the details of the expansion will be out in due course.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 22:29
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Originally Posted by Yeehaw22 View Post
Do you honestly think they would announce it without the plans in place? They have been at this game a while now. And doubt it will be a huge sunwing increase as they dont have a huge fleet themselves.

Am sure the details of the expansion will be out in due course.
Let's wait and find out. But to me why it's the other way - why announce it without putting flights/seats/holidays on sale.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 22:37
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Originally Posted by LBAflyer22 View Post
They do but considering it is rumoured that the 3 Tankers are going to join Jet2 (2 already signed in to long term contracts), Titan and Jet2 work hand in hand very well together, they've had a good relationship with Air Europa in the past and also started using SmartLynx (who's biggest customer was TC). The strength to TUI here is Sunwing.

Can you please evidence where Jet2 have said they are expanding for S20? There is nothing out there to suggest this. Instead it is all hearsay, all rumours, and all been worked on within the airline. It is inventible,however it is the forums that take ideas and run with them at 1000mph. This is different to TUI who have announced the extra seats, extra flights, but never really given me anything. I want TUI to expand but i just can't see how at the moment they will - other than Sunwing.
the difference is Jet2 wonít announce summer expansion until they have confirmed everything such as routes, frequency, hotel contracts, aircraft leases and no doubt 2nd hand aircraft they are trying to purchase. Expect an announcement in the next few weeks. They just need to get this month over first as they now have 9 leased aircraft of which 3 are wide bodies one the largest aircraft they have ever had - a330-300 holding 388pax.

thatís the difference TUI have grabbed the headlines for next summer by saying 2million extra seats but no announcement of routes, frequency, aircraft type yet when Jet2 announce their increase it will comes with the routes and frequency.
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Old 14th Oct 2019, 22:39
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Originally Posted by irishlad06 View Post


the difference is Jet2 wonít announce summer expansion until they have confirmed everything such as routes, frequency, hotel contracts, aircraft leases and no doubt 2nd hand aircraft they are trying to purchase. Expect an announcement in the next few weeks. They just need to get this month over first as they now have 9 leased aircraft of which 3 are wide bodies one the largest aircraft they have ever had - a330-300 holding 388pax.

thatís the difference TUI have grabbed the headlines for next summer by saying 2million extra seats but no announcement of routes, frequency, aircraft type yet when Jet2 announce their increase it will comes with the routes and frequency.
This is exactly what I'm trying to get at. TUI have announced but yet no evidence. So i am sure it hasn't sent a clear message or going to influence their plans as there is little evidence just yet - Re: original post which suggested this.
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 11:41
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Originally Posted by LBAflyer22 View Post
This is exactly what I'm trying to get at. TUI have announced but yet no evidence. So i am sure it hasn't sent a clear message or going to influence their plans as there is little evidence just yet - Re: original post which suggested this.
They are expanding at airports stated in the press release, Thats a fact.
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 16:05
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TUI (and Britannia before them) have been doing this for years, get the business first and then work out how you are going to cope with it. If you wait until all your ducks are in a row, the opportunity may have gone.
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 20:07
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2 million seats on an A321 size operation is around 30 return flights over a 20 week summer season.
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 20:34
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear View Post
2 million seats on an A321 size operation is around 30 return flights over a 20 week summer season.
The job postings on the TUI website for 'Thomas Cook' suggests otherwise - saying 'All Positions will be on the B737'!! https://tuijobsuk.co.uk/work-at-tui-...opportunities/

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Old 15th Oct 2019, 20:44
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The job postings on the TUI website for 'Thomas Cook' suggests otherwise - saying 'All Positions will be on the B737'!! https://tuijobsuk.co.uk/work-at-tui-...opportunities/
Intresting times ahead.
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 20:51
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Well that appears to all but quash the near 'certainty' many seemed to have that TUI would be taking on Airbuses (short-term lease or otherwise) for their expansion.

Of course, things could still change but for now it looks unlikely. It looks like they will use the quiet winter months to re-train flight crews on Boeing – seems sensible. Where the expansion will come from is still difficult to see – perhaps it's based on the MAXs returning and then keeping more older 738s (and potentially 757s) than previously planned? Maybe even some intra-group movements (Condor and Thomas Cook Scandinavia are still trading so maybe TUI will reduce their presence in these markets in order to move aircraft to the UK)?

Depending on the MAX situation (and possibly even regardless of it now), TUI will most likely take on some ACMI capacity for S20 (more likely to be Airbus than Boeing at the moment). For this, it will probably be a case of trying to beat Jet2 to it.
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 21:03
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Has anyone else had a go at the maths on this? I have, and I'm struggling.

Two million extra seats from the UK next summer over a 30-week summer season is 66,667 seats per week. Divide by 189 and that's 352 extra roundtrips per week. If each TUI aircraft is typically operating 16 roundtrips per week, that's 22 more 189-seat aircraft, but they've announced 50 direct entry Captain jobs and with a typical ratio of 6 to 7 sets of crew per aircraft, that sounds like about 8 extra aircraft.

How do you square away the difference between these numbers? Is the two million figure referring to sector seats, so 1m extra holidays?

My guess is that this must include some 757 retentions to provide 40-odd extra seats on some flights versus the 737s. If all of the TUI pilots are already flying those 757s this summer due to the MAX issues, it would explain why all of the new vacancies are on the 737 fleet.

The only way I can get close to some numbers that add up is if you assume that eight 757s due to go this winter will now stay. That provides around 170,000 more seats and then the eight 737s provide around 800,000 more seats and you get to a million holidays and two million seats.

Put another way, if this is the case, then it means that any option to use the 757s as contingency for continued MAX grounding is gone, as those 757s are already providing extra lift after Thomas Cook's failure. That's quite ballsy.
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 21:09
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Looks to be quite a lot of third party flying already creeping into the system.
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Old 15th Oct 2019, 22:17
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Donít forget there is two more 789ís due before next summer. Assuming the expansion is short haul thereís two larger aircraft already that count towards the extra seats
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 10:59
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Donít forget there is two more 789ís due before next summer. Assuming the expansion is short haul thereís two larger aircraft already that count towards the extra seats
That is what BHX crew have been telling me that that they are getting a 787 for short-mid haul in summer 20 they understand it will do high capacity route in the morning e.g AGP,ALC,PMI,IBZ then in the afternnon it will do a longer sector to maximise fuel savings like LCA,PFO,HRG,AYT
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