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Old 5th Apr 2019, 06:33
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Originally Posted by sparkie320 View Post
Do we know what bases the Sunwings are using this year assume NWI BFS DUB but not sure on LBA
4 are coming across with possibly a 5th
also who looking are maintance was MRL at LBA

Mark
TUI dont have a base at LBA this year
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 07:46
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Originally Posted by Cazza_fly View Post
TUI is almost as old as Thomson. I'm sure most would agree that the UK market would have preferred to have retained the well known Thomson name, but operationally and logistically it makes sense to keep the masterbrand under one name across all their markets. Especially markets in which they all serve. They have managed to keep a number of sub-brands in their local country markets including First Choice Holidays and Skytours in the UK.

TUI were very clever at introducing their name and image steadily from 2002. Bringing their brands and family under the "World of TUI" umbrella. Initially standardising the then Britannia Airways, Lunn Poly and Thomson names under the same look and smile logo. The UK market has thus come to know this very well.

I don't quite understand how anyone can see the companies 'acronym' of TUI sound childish? I suppose it could be more childish to think it ryhmes with random names...


How are TUI share prices doing recently? Many companies who change their names from well known ones don't do as well after. I'm thinking Thomas Cook made a right old cock up with their name changes. I still say Tewey sounds childish.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 07:54
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Originally Posted by VC10man View Post
How are TUI share prices doing recently? Many companies who change their names from well known ones don't do as well after. I'm thinking Thomas Cook made a right old cock up with their name changes. I still say Tewey sounds childish.
A bit like Wizz or even worse poor Wow you mean? Worries me when I see a high tech business dumbing down. The fault of smart---d focus groups I expect.
Makes me wonder what else they are.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 08:01
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After the name change the share price reached a record high of just over 18. The company was seen as a growth stock as it moved its business focus to cruise ships and hotels. The current share price is due to difficult trading conditions and partly the grounding of the 737MAX. However, TUI is probably best placed to come through these difficulties unlike Thomas Cook which is some way behind in their business transformation.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 09:54
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Originally Posted by sparkie320 View Post
Do we know what bases the Sunwings are using this year assume NWI BFS DUB but not sure on LBA
4 are coming across with possibly a 5th
also who looking are maintance was MRL at LBA

Mark
According to Jethros, 5 are coming over: 2 at DUB, 1 at BFS, 1 at ABZ, 1 at NWI.

ABZ was last year served by a TOM aircraft so this marks a change - possibly due to potential MAX grounding. However Sunwing are also using the MAX so may struggle giving away so many 738s.

Good news is that TOM seems to be receiving its 738s back from Sunwing, G-FDZF is at DGX.
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 18:25
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TUI might sound childish to some but the company are the largest tour and travel company in the world. I remember seeing TUI tour buses in Majorca in 1963 when Thomson was still Universal Sky Tours flying the Bristol Britannia. It became Thomson in 1965 when the Canadian media group decided to invest into the UK tourist market.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 10:31
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I notice for summer 2019 that TUI have learnt from issues last summer on LCA and PFO flights on Sunday nights where the average inbound delay was 48 mins mainly due to delays getting aircraft turned around and slot restrictions in the Nicosia sector

So this year a number of Sunday night flights will have 1h15 to 1hr 40 min turnarounds to try and make it appear that the inbound flights operate more on time which I am sure customers will like just means a bit longer day for the crew
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 10:56
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What's to like?
A fudging exercise for those keeping such scores.
Pax and crew still get home same time they always did.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 11:19
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Six Channel- I agree its all a PR exercise to make look like on time performance is better, Customers may like it a bit more as wont have that belief that they have been delayed. It should be a bit better at LCA on Sunday nights this year as you havent got Cobalt which had around 8-10 inbounds and 5 outbounds between 22:00 and 01:30

My worry is all the other Jet2,Easyjet,Thomas Cook flights etc will still be getting the slot restrictions and turnaround delays and the TUi aircraft get delayed still as the ground agents have it in their mind that Tui have these long turnarounds . I think BHX is the worst one where there is a 1hr 40min turnaround at PFO so therefore making the crew days even longer i remember last year there was a few instances where quite small delays meant crew went out of hours
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 11:44
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Six Channel- I agree its all a PR exercise to make look like on time performance is better
Blimey - looks like "heads I lose, tails you win" for TUI here. If they'd done nothing there'd have been people on moaning about constant delays...
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 12:06
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Blimey - looks like "heads I lose, tails you win" for TUI here. If they'd done nothing there'd have been people on moaning about constant delays...
Quite so. I'd moan too if the turnaround time was "unrealistic" and my expected TO time was more than an hour (or worse) late and due to pre-known and expected circumstances..
You can fool some if the people - - etc
Reflect "Reality" so punters can book holidays knowing (more or less) what time they really will get home.
And surely it helps TUI Crew Planning so that pilots dont go out of hours, simply waiting.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 12:11
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Originally Posted by sixchannel View Post
What's to like?
A fudging exercise for those keeping such scores.
Pax and crew still get home same time they always did.
maybe to keep the compensation outfits a bit quieter, they will cause more airlines to go bust like this..
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 12:20
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Originally Posted by 2Para View Post
maybe to keep the compensation outfits a bit quieter, they will cause more airlines to go bust like this..
By telling the Truth?
When I book our Hols, I look at when we will land UK and it's part of a conscious decision process.
Its it's going to be Stupid o'clock, and so many second rotation flights are, I'd sooner know now rather than fume on the day at Stupid o'clock Plus 2 hrs.
Maybe TUI will set Precedent for Honesty.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 13:43
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Can you assist with the operator & a/c type for TOM 4482 in view of the current a/c changes.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 14:28
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Originally Posted by Trinity 09L View Post
Can you assist with the operator & a/c type for TOM 4482 in view of the current a/c changes.
According to flt mapper it should be a TUI boeing 737-8 although the flight on the 1st april was a 757.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 14:31
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Originally Posted by 737James View Post
I notice for summer 2019 that TUI have learnt from issues last summer on LCA and PFO flights on Sunday nights where the average inbound delay was 48 mins mainly due to delays getting aircraft turned around and slot restrictions in the Nicosia sector

So this year a number of Sunday night flights will have 1h15 to 1hr 40 min turnarounds to try and make it appear that the inbound flights operate more on time which I am sure customers will like just means a bit longer day for the crew
In reality once the a/c arrives at destination (LCA or PFO) in the middle of the night the homeward flight should have all been checked in by then, and the pax at the gate>

The crew taking it back will want the pax on ASAP to get going, especially on a 11 hour+ duty day at night, unless they are landing time restricted back in the UK ie no arrivals before say 06.00...
If the local departure slots are restrictive then once the pax are all on board the skipper will call ready to start and try for an earlier slot - either via with their own Ops in UK or via the tower.
9 times out of 10 one can get going home much sooner for everyone's sake
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 16:11
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Originally Posted by 737James View Post
Six Channel- I agree its all a PR exercise to make look like on time performance is better, Customers may like it a bit more as wont have that belief that they have been delayed. It should be a bit better at LCA on Sunday nights this year as you havent got Cobalt which had around 8-10 inbounds and 5 outbounds between 22:00 and 01:30

My worry is all the other Jet2,Easyjet,Thomas Cook flights etc will still be getting the slot restrictions and turnaround delays and the TUi aircraft get delayed still as the ground agents have it in their mind that Tui have these long turnarounds . I think BHX is the worst one where there is a 1hr 40min turnaround at PFO so therefore making the crew days even longer i remember last year there was a few instances where quite small delays meant crew went out of hours
In a previous life the standard line was sorry Captain you cannot advise you won't use discretion for the return flight on report as you might get to XXX and feel fresh as a daisy.
So call us when you arrive in XXX. On arrival in XXX as the passengers came off the front steps, the homeward pax came up the rear steps.
Then if it all went pete tongue wrong and crew went out of hours - rest assured the crews would be put up in the same Hotel as the angry punters.
This EU compensation rule means that airlines are paying a lot more attention to block and turn times.....
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 17:18
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Roj747- I presume that you have not been down to LCA or PFO on a Saturday or Sunday recently you have zero chance in my experience of getting an earlier slot plus no chance of getting the ground agent to load the pax or aircraft until the last minute,

Both airports are chaos often requiring outbound flights from UK to be delayed as they simply have no space for you or any spare steps. There was some weeks last year that aircraft would arrive and the pax would disembark from rear stairs once off those steps were took to another aircraft to be used and you had just front steps for return to UK.

It is not helped that most LCA departures are on a Pafos2B SID which takes traffic directly over PFO airport often only around 8000ft then all the traffic is on a TOBAL departure up towards Turkey but mixed in with this you have the traffic from TLV and AMM.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 17:38
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oh for the 727/737, 1-11 or DC-9 with built in air stairs lol

I bet TUI are lamenting not having the air stairs option on the 737-800's anymore lol

thanks for the chaos update 737J -- sounds like JMK Mykonos - in my day we sent down 2 or 3 737's every other day - now it's 4 or 5 every hour on many days
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 21:28
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TUI are in the market for used 737s. That clearly indicates the MAX issue is far from short term?
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