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Old 22nd Jul 2020, 20:48
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Originally Posted by allnamestaken1
I have a trip booked with Jet2 in the Autumn,how long will the wearing a mask on an aircraft be going on for will i have to wear it come Sept/Oct.
Masks will be around for considerable time yet, potentially until a vaccine (if found) is in wide circulation.
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 09:18
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Novelty in Palma: the first A321 in Jet2's fleet. The A321s G-HLYF about to land on 24L an hour ago....with sharklets

photo to follow ... (in holidays livery)
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 12:55
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Originally Posted by Fly757X
Masks will be around for considerable time yet, potentially until a vaccine (if found) is in wide circulation.
My experience in Hong Kong with SARS was around 18 months, so get used to it I am afraid. It becomes second nature after awhile, but I did not expect to have to do it again in my life time, so I do feel a little unlucky and cheesed off.
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac
My experience in Hong Kong with SARS was around 18 months, so get used to it I am afraid. It becomes second nature after awhile, but I did not expect to have to do it again in my life time, so I do feel a little unlucky and cheesed off.
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That's a pity to hear and hope you're well. I've been getting used to it here too. It is just something we will have to live with. All the best.
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 15:08
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This article only refers to US registered 737NGs- presumably it would apply to Jet 2 NGs too(?) unless they are different ? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...H27SJClCM8jhOk
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 17:39
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
This article only refers to US registered 737NGs- presumably it would apply to Jet 2 NGs too(?) unless they are different ? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-b...H27SJClCM8jhOk
Without knowing the distribution of the 2000 affected aircraft, I suppose it could apply to any 737 Classic or NG aircraft (basically every 737 currently in service).

Surprising that the problem can affect aircraft idle for as few as seven days, considering it is certainly not unheard of for aircraft to be idle for that long even pre-COVID.
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 18:01
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Just been reading up on Jet2 redundancies, apart from BA and Virgin... both long haul, they seem to be the only airline reducing their head count. TUI, managed to agree a deal to keep at their pilots.

Seems to be a bit of a knee jerk reaction judging by everyone else.
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 22:39
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G-DRTZ arrived back at EMA today, unhappy with the Paint Job.
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 22:45
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Originally Posted by 40i
Just been reading up on Jet2 redundancies, apart from BA and Virgin... both long haul, they seem to be the only airline reducing their head count. TUI, managed to agree a deal to keep at their pilots.

Seems to be a bit of a knee jerk reaction judging by everyone else.
What about Easyjet?
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Old 24th Jul 2020, 22:58
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Originally Posted by 40i
Just been reading up on Jet2 redundancies, apart from BA and Virgin... both long haul, they seem to be the only airline reducing their head count. TUI, managed to agree a deal to keep at their pilots.

Seems to be a bit of a knee jerk reaction judging by everyone else.
i don’t think it’s a jerk reaction. They are making airbus pilots (as well as Boeing) redundant because they no longer have the aircraft. Don’t forgot they planned to have 6 or 7 a321’s by this point and now only have 1. Extra 757’s are going as well as not getting as many 2nd hand 800’s as predicted. Also Jet2 crew to 100% - meaning they have the right amount of crew per aircraft to even have airport standbys and home standby so day off payments are not common whereas at other airlines they don’t crew to 100% because it is easier to offer day off payments meaning less permanent staff required and less full time overheads such as pension etc. TUI charter a lot of extra capacity which they won’t be no longer whilst their crew are taking a pay cut(over 12month pay cut)
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Old 25th Jul 2020, 06:18
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Originally Posted by 40i
Just been reading up on Jet2 redundancies, apart from BA and Virgin... both long haul, they seem to be the only airline reducing their head count. TUI, managed to agree a deal to keep at their pilots.

Seems to be a bit of a knee jerk reaction judging by everyone else.
Try reading up a bit more then. Try looking into EasyJet, RyanAir, Lufthansa, Air France, SAS, Emirates, Etihad, etc, etc. In fact TUI seem to be the only ones not facing this issue. Curious as to what their plans actually are given they announced 8,000 job cuts globally and recently disclosed plans for fleet reduction in Germany?
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Old 25th Jul 2020, 08:53
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Originally Posted by Big Tudor
Try reading up a bit more then. Try looking into EasyJet, RyanAir, Lufthansa, Air France, SAS, Emirates, Etihad, etc, etc. In fact TUI seem to be the only ones not facing this issue. Curious as to what their plans actually are given they announced 8,000 job cuts globally and recently disclosed plans for fleet reduction in Germany?
easyJet- what a mess. Not worth mentioning yet.

Ryanair- no redundancies 20% pay cut for all pilots and kept the head count

Lufthansa, SAS, Emirates ect. Completely different market.

TUI saw sense and realised that IATA predict the Short haul market will back back to pre Covid levels by mid summer ‘21. Keep the headcount and keep their market share. Enough reading for you?
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Old 25th Jul 2020, 10:47
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That’s what €1.8bn in state aid can do for you!
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Old 25th Jul 2020, 14:39
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It’s not state aid, it’s a loan, which will obviously have to be repaid.

The difference between Jet2 and TUI is that TUI are carrying a surplus until at least next summer, paid for by the pilots, who have voted to take pay cuts until Oct 21 to avoid any pilots having to enter a non-existent job market. Jet2 pilots I believe will only be on reduced pay until the end of the year but won’t carry a surplus as they’re making redundancies. Two different approaches to the same problem.

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Old 25th Jul 2020, 16:18
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It’s not state aid, it’s a loan, which will obviously have to be repaid.
This will be a ball and chain for TUI until it is repaid. TCX didn't manage very well with their £1b bankloan.
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Old 25th Jul 2020, 16:33
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Originally Posted by H44
It’s not state aid, it’s a loan, which will obviously have to be repaid.

The difference between Jet2 and TUI is that TUI are carrying a surplus until at least next summer, paid for by the pilots, who have voted to take pay cuts until Oct 21 to avoid any pilots having to enter a non-existent job market. Jet2 pilots I believe will only be on reduced pay until the end of the year but won’t carry a surplus as they’re making redundancies. Two different approaches to the same problem.
According to what Jet2 have told Balpa and the workforce they are carrying a surplus of 450 pilots who will remain furloughed until end of October and then be brought back to working, although they say they don’t need that many until next summer. At the moment reduced pay until end of the year but can’t see it going back up in January, expect there will be more “negotiation” when they see how this summer works out and what bookings for 2021 are looking like...
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Old 25th Jul 2020, 18:26
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Spanish quarantine back for whole UK. Not good news for Jet2.

I suppose it remains to be seen whether programmes are axed for the summer or if flights are offered with pax travelling at their own risk and having to quarantine. Regardless, numbers will be considerably lower as many cannot quarantine for 14 days on arrival.
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Old 25th Jul 2020, 19:23
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From 26 July, the FCO advises against all non-essential travel to mainland Spain based on the current assessment of COVID-19 risks
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Old 25th Jul 2020, 19:46
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TUI have laid off crew.
I know a few cabin crew which were seasonal and they have all been laid off as soon as lockdown happened
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Old 25th Jul 2020, 20:02
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Originally Posted by ROC10
Spanish quarantine back for whole UK. Not good news for Jet2.

I suppose it remains to be seen whether programmes are axed for the summer or if flights are offered with pax travelling at their own risk and having to quarantine. Regardless, numbers will be considerably lower as many cannot quarantine for 14 days on arrival.
The quarantine is one way, isn't it? Back into the UK?
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