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Share price is irrelevant.
TUI - 589 million shares in circulation.
Dart Group - 149 million shares in circulation.
TUI still remains worth some £4bn+ more than Dart. Share price alone is an indicator of nothing.
TUI - 589 million shares in circulation.
Dart Group - 149 million shares in circulation.
TUI still remains worth some £4bn+ more than Dart. Share price alone is an indicator of nothing.
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It has been announced internally to operational teams that 4 ex TCX A321’s have been outright purchased. The recent roadshows have indeed meant that recruitment of ex TCX Airbus flight deck and engineers had happened. This is has not been communicated in an official communication however this happening.
The 4 A321’s will be based at MAN. Originally it was looked into to keeping the 3 757’s due for retirement however some of the frames need heavy mx so will still be disposed of. Last I heard GLSAH will remain in in the fleet after some work over winter, AG and AI are still going.
The A321’s and remaining 757 will allow a generous capacity increase at MAN, and will also allow a couple of 737’s to be redistributed to BHX and STN.
Titan will acquire another A321 to be based at STN. Next summer there will be A321’s and STN, BHX and MAN.
It’s apparent that the last few years of measuring the A321’s economics at BHX & STN has paid off. By the end of 2020, GLA, EDI, NCL, BFS, EMA and LBA will all be 737-800 exclusive bases. STN & BHX will be 737-800/A321 bases and MAN 737-800, A321, A330 and 757 whilst they are slowly parted out over the coming years.
The 757 lovers need to accept they are all old and the A321 can do everything the 757 does for Jet2, with much better economics and dispatch reliability. Any long haul charters and NY flights will operate on the A330. The important word there is long haul charters, not scheduled services. Jet2 is very cautious and those hoping for Florida and Caribbean shouldn’t waste any time thinking about it.
Jet2 is no going to put on sale anywhere near the capacity lost by TCX. It will add a handful of extra aircraft at each of its core markets STN, BHX and MAN and carry on growing other bases by tweaking schedules and making use of the Spanish bases Aircraft to allow extra rotations by UK bases to fit in.
The 4 A321’s will be based at MAN. Originally it was looked into to keeping the 3 757’s due for retirement however some of the frames need heavy mx so will still be disposed of. Last I heard GLSAH will remain in in the fleet after some work over winter, AG and AI are still going.
The A321’s and remaining 757 will allow a generous capacity increase at MAN, and will also allow a couple of 737’s to be redistributed to BHX and STN.
Titan will acquire another A321 to be based at STN. Next summer there will be A321’s and STN, BHX and MAN.
It’s apparent that the last few years of measuring the A321’s economics at BHX & STN has paid off. By the end of 2020, GLA, EDI, NCL, BFS, EMA and LBA will all be 737-800 exclusive bases. STN & BHX will be 737-800/A321 bases and MAN 737-800, A321, A330 and 757 whilst they are slowly parted out over the coming years.
The 757 lovers need to accept they are all old and the A321 can do everything the 757 does for Jet2, with much better economics and dispatch reliability. Any long haul charters and NY flights will operate on the A330. The important word there is long haul charters, not scheduled services. Jet2 is very cautious and those hoping for Florida and Caribbean shouldn’t waste any time thinking about it.
Jet2 is no going to put on sale anywhere near the capacity lost by TCX. It will add a handful of extra aircraft at each of its core markets STN, BHX and MAN and carry on growing other bases by tweaking schedules and making use of the Spanish bases Aircraft to allow extra rotations by UK bases to fit in.
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Of course they weren’t, two types maybe with 73 and a larger wide body but all 73? No chance, not with slot constraints as they are these days.
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There is NO and i mean ZERO mention of Airbus
Hope this helps
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Remember that the wheels fitted to the Jet2 goal posts are industry leaders in terms of speed of movement!
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The three ex China Southern air frames mentioned are a different spec to the rest hence their potentially early demise
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When did Jet2 STOP flying domestic flights from Manchester
Years ago I remember flying with them on a 737-300 from Manchester to Edinburgh and from Gatwick to Manchester?
Years ago I remember flying with them on a 737-300 from Manchester to Edinburgh and from Gatwick to Manchester?
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The jet2 model wouldn't work now. The morning and Afternoon wave of flights are timed perfect to maximise the utilisation now, unlike before, where they would have had spare gaps available year round
I would also guess it's the same reason they dropped the work for Royal Mail, as they needed their planes on the more profitable holidays routes
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Obviously they see the a321 as a b757 replacement for them. Can see them by 2020 or 2021 maybe taking one or two a330’s themselves in house if the economics work.
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Trade Agreements take many years to negotiate, some can take 20 years or more. The recent trade agreement between the EU and Canada took about 9 years from the start of negotiations and finally signing between the parties concerned. Hence the possibility that the UK will eventually leave the EU without a Trade Deal of any kind is possible.
It makes sense therefore that JET2 are only purchasing 4 x A321s to replace some of their B757s and in the event that business in the UK in general goes belly up due to BREXIT, they have another 20 aircraft that are leased or old enough to retire to be able to downsize to cope with a possible future considerable reduction in travellers.
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The A321 is no different to the 757, in terms of having two types within the fleet. Although the 737 and 757 are Boeing, they have very little, in common. If Jet2 feel the need for something bigger than the 738, they need the A321 or 737-900ER/9MAX. They have had the A321 wet-leased for quite a few years now and the 757s aren't getting any younger. With type-rated crews and maintenance seeking new opportunities at MAN, there seems no better time to acquire the expertise and integrate it into the company. Much like when Channel Express bought those Ansett 737s all those years ago.
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I was thinking of operational and flight-deck crews. Presumably there are a number of management, training pilots, training programmes and maintenance regimes needed for each fleet type, which would not be required with a wet-lease. After the demise of Thomas Cook many of these people may be looking for new jobs. If they have families, partners and other commitments in Manchester, brining that experience to Jet2 could be a win for both parties.
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Post 1739 - Brian Droney
What a pleasure to read a sensible reasoned and sympathetic post highlighting the advantages of Jet 2 purchasing 4 x A321 ex Thomas Cook. A total contrast from all the negative winging and moaning on PPrune and in Westmister.
It shows that there are still companies around who look further than the next quarter's financial results and also have a sense of social responsibility.
As Brian says, it seems to me like a "Win-Win Situation" for all concerned, well done Jet 2 !
It shows that there are still companies around who look further than the next quarter's financial results and also have a sense of social responsibility.
As Brian says, it seems to me like a "Win-Win Situation" for all concerned, well done Jet 2 !