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Old 4th Apr 2019, 14:24
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Looks like they have gone a good way to filling the massive hole MON left at BHX
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 07:14
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Leeds base for summer 2019 is as follows

In service
6+ Boeing 737-300
​6+ Boeing 737-800
3+ Boeing 757-200
1+ Airbus A320 (Smart Lynx = May 1st to June 18th)
Spare back up
1+ Boeing 737-300
1+ Boeing 757-200

Summer 2020

In service
11+ Boeing 737-800
4+ Boeing 737-300
Spare back up
1+ Boeing 737-800
1+ Boeing 737-300
So whats happened to the B757-200's? I know it's previously been mentioned that a couple would be retired. Would i be right in assuming they've all moved to MAN?

This also represents a small peak capacity reduction, assuming each operational aircraft operates 4 sectors a day, S19 has 10,908 seats, S20 has 10,684. although the -800's are more economical, so they could operate more year-round flights?
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Old 5th Apr 2019, 07:54
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All 757s are moving to MAN for next summer.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 18:30
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Well, if my recent flight with J2 is anything to go by I'll say this; Jet2 appear to be very ably demonstrating how to run a loco airline with good employee conditions, honest dealings/ nice whole flight experiences for their pax and a fair outlook to the future.

I sincerely hope I won't be eating my words in 18 months or so. I mean that.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 19:37
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I sincerely hope I won't be eating my words in 18 months or so. I mean that.
Iím glad you enjoyed your experience, we put a great deal of effort into our customer service levels offered by our airport and airline crew.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 19:43
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Originally Posted by Auxtank View Post
Well, if my recent flight with J2 is anything to go by I'll say this; Jet2 appear to be very ably demonstrating how to run a loco airline with good employee conditions, honest dealings/ nice whole flight experiences for their pax and a fair outlook to the future.

I sincerely hope I won't be eating my words in 18 months or so. I mean that.
Amen to that. Enjoy ALMOST everything about Jet2 flights and its good to know that there are such good things. I once thad a query about a Jet2 Holiday booking where a Discount had not been calculated when totting up. Expecting the worst. I made the phone call and had a very pleasant conversation and it was all sorted. No angst.
Long may it continue.
Our 2019 plans are ALL using Jet2 flights and Holidays and when the 2020 comes out PROPERLY (not the mess it currently is) we'll be right in there. We HAVE to Plan early due to "circumstances" - cover etc.
Now then - if only they would get rid of that mega-annoying Ooh-Ooh "Hold My Hand" song that they pitch at you behind every possible opportunity!! Torture! lol! I know Jess Glynne is a very fine Singer/Songwriter but enough already.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 19:56
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Certainly have a very big presence at every airport they serve.
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 21:05
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Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants View Post


Iím glad you enjoyed your experience, we put a great deal of effort into our customer service levels offered by our airport and airline crew.
It's working.

Don't change a thing.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 06:41
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"Hold My Hand"

Originally Posted by Auxtank View Post
It's working.

Don't change a thing.
Totally agree - Jet2 are doing really well, riding high, and have an increasing large and very loyal customer base with a good solid product both hard and soft - the TV Ad is way ahead of the daft TUI ones and is uplifting...I like it...

I really wish Jet2 had a presence down here at BOH and maybe EXT to throw off both TUI and FR

I should imagine the CEO & the Board are very relieved that Jet2 are not having to face a 737MAX debacle as they did not buy any - In hindsight a wise move.
That sort of chaos now being faced by TUI, DY/D8 and other European charter airlines that have their new fleets grounded is crippling and could finish a smaller company off...
If Monarch was still here with their new Max's that would have been rather brutal...

What are Jet2's future fleet plans ? A320/A321neo's?

I see that the fleets of 737-700's of KLM and TUI are being retired, these will be well maintained - a nice little plane - 148 seats with long legs and great performance. One a/c that can get into GIB OK.
At Astraeus they could do Egypt as far as Aswan non-stop with a full load, and also across the pond to Deer Park NF.

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Old 9th Apr 2019, 07:21
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What are Jet2's future fleet plans ? A320/A321neo's?
Although IT passengers (PAX in general I suspect) don't know a lot about what type of aircraft they are about to board as long as it gets them to their holiday one wonders just how damaged the 737MAX debacle has done to Boeing's brand in the public eye, and how much any damage that has been done might effect Jet2's, and other carriers fleet renewal plans. Whilst the occasional customer service glitch can be annoying, and temporarily damage a brand through keyboard warriors activity, perceived safety may stick rather more stubbornly.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 07:27
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
Totally agree - Jet2 are doing really well, riding high, and have an increasing large and very loyal customer base with a good solid product both hard and soft - the TV Ad is way ahead of the daft TUI ones and is uplifting...I like it...

I really wish Jet2 had a presence down here at BOH and maybe EXT to throw off both TUI and FR

I should imagine the CEO & the Board are very relieved that Jet2 are not having to face a 737MAX debacle as they did not buy any - In hindsight a wise move.
That sort of chaos now being faced by TUI, DY/D8 and other European charter airlines that have their new fleets grounded is crippling and could finish a smaller company off...
If Monarch was still here with their new Max's that would have been rather brutal...

What are Jet2's future fleet plans ? A320/A321neo's?

I see that the fleets of 737-700's of KLM and TUI are being retired, these will be well maintained - a nice little plane - 148 seats with long legs and great performance. One a/c that can get into GIB OK.
At Astraeus they could Egypt as far as Aswan non-stop with a full load, and also across the pond to Deer Park NF.
I don't see them launching the South West for quite a while and I think they'll find it uber competitive here.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 07:54
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Although IT passengers (PAX in general I suspect) don't know a lot about what type of aircraft they are about to board as long as it gets them to their holiday one wonders just how damaged the 737MAX debacle has done to Boeing's brand in the public eye, and how much any damage that has been done might effect Jet2's, and other carriers fleet renewal plans. Whilst the occasional customer service glitch can be annoying, and temporarily damage a brand through keyboard warriors activity, perceived safety may stick rather more stubbornly.
Precisely - TUI pax bombarded the company both in the UK and their EU regions through their social media insisting to ground the Max within 48 hours of the ET accident, and many cancelled their holidays or changed their plans -- very £££ damaging for TUI..folk are not daft, as we have seen in the past few weeks.

As for Jet 2 as I said, they are breathing a sigh of relief they do not have to deal with the Max damage limitation.

Jet 2 cleverly took the last 34 NG slots from Boeing but no more new ones are being built - but now we will see much higher £££ values of second hand a/c, or leases of any 737-800's, or even 700's that are currently, or were, available...
Airlines that were due to get rid of their NG's for new Max's are now of course hanging on to them UFN...For Jet 2 that could mean fleet expansion will be a concern.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 08:51
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Originally Posted by sixchannel View Post
Now then - if only they would get rid of that mega-annoying Ooh-Ooh "Hold My Hand" song that they pitch at you behind every possible opportunity!! Torture! lol! I know Jess Glynne is a very fine Singer/Songwriter but enough already.
I completely agree with everything everyone has said. Their customer service is way beyond any of the competition, the on board product also. But after a heavy weekend in Prague the last thing I wanted was Jess Glynne singing the same lyric every 5 minutes. I think its just the sheer amount of times you here it that annoys me. All in all a minor annoyance on an otherwise fantastic airline.

On the fleet I'm sure we'll see something like a 737-700 come in to replace the 733's. They served a purpose for the airline and whilst in growth the 738's have matched demand increase on a lot of former 733 routes, there are still some routes, like the aforementioned GIB and some city routes from the likes of LBA and BFS that you would think it is perfect for.

I think as the 757's go, we will see them go down the A330 route. I think neo's are out of the question for a long while. Jet 2 buy second hand and maintain extremely well. The only reason they went for new 738's was they got a cracking deal on end of the line models, you're talking years until the neo gets to the end of the line. The 332 could fil PMI from MAN twice a day quite comfortably, and there is routes to the Canaries, Greece and Turkey that could support 2/3 332 services a week no problem (that's without the potential, if not very likely expansion into long haul). Either way its exciting times ahead for EXS

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Old 9th Apr 2019, 09:17
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Yes Jet2 have a good product but it will be interesting to see their results when they are released. EasyJet, TUI and Thomas Cook are all reporting difficult trading with margins under pressure. As Jet2 works to smaller margins anyway it is difficult to see how Jet2 cannot be affected in some way. Although there is some brand loyalty this sector is notoriously price sensitive.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 10:08
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On the fleet I'm sure we'll see something like a 737-700 come in to replace the 733's. They served a purpose for the airline and whilst in growth the 738's have matched demand increase on a lot of former 733 routes, there are still some routes, like the aforementioned GIB and some city routes from the likes of LBA and BFS that you would think it is perfect for.
I might not be so sure about that. Another round of retirements this year will probably see the end of the older -300's (likely to be the end of the G-CEL# series). This leaves just a handful remaining, but all of these still have many years left in them. It doesn't seem logical to introduce a new aircraft to the fleet, along with the spares, training and integration that would be needed (despite the commonality)

Also to throw my pennies into the well of Jet2 praise, i haven't seen on here someone mention the TripAdvisor awards, where Jet2 scooped 5, including the prestigious #9 airline in the WORLD, being the only UK & European operator in the top 10.
Given the amount of praise they get, including all you Ppruners, it's hard not to see why.

I think as the 757's go, we will see them go down the A330 route. I think neo's are out of the question for a long while. Jet 2 buy second hand and maintain extremely well. The only reason they went for new 738's was they got a cracking deal on end of the line models, you're talking years until the neo gets to the end of the line. The 332 could fil PMI from MAN twice a day quite comfortably, and there is routes to the Canaries, Greece and Turkey that could support 2/3 332 services a week no problem (that's without the potential, if not very likely expansion into long haul). Either way its exciting times ahead for EXS
I'd believe this is a similar situation to the -300's, but there's definately more scope for expansion here. It's been previously reported that there's at least 1 B752 being retired this winter and all ops to be moved to MAN. the current agreement with the A330's works well, where they get the capacity in the summer without having to worry about the maintenance (too much). Being their 3rd year of operation, Jet2 must be seeing a future for a higher capacity aircraft somewhere down the line. the biggest issue though is the excessive range available, which doesn't quite work for their short haul programmes (Mainland Spain). Mid-haul (Canaries/Turkey) works much better, but i don't believe they are in a position to fully benefit from this. As for long haul, the CEO has said no in the short/mid term, as there's more to do in the core market . I wouldn't expect to see something here for a good few years yet.
the A321neo/ A332/8 would be a good option, along with the MAX 10 (once all issues are rectified and if they're still in production) or the B788. I'm a firm believer that if Boeing actually deliver on the rumoured B797 (Middle of the Market aircraft), this would suit Jet2 perfectly, giving the capacity and range they need. Shame it's not expected until around 2030, but hey ho...

I don't see them launching the South West for quite a while and I think they'll find it uber competitive here.
This has also been covered by the CEO, stating he wants to continue growth at all bases before moving elsewhere. reasonable candidates would probably be CWL, EXT or BOH (BRS is full and SOU doesn't have the runway)

Phwew, i can breathe now...
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 10:34
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I don't see them launching the South West for quite a while and I think they'll find it uber competitive here.
Having gone into STN - the Ryanair fortress - i think they'll find BRS and/or CWL and that area a breeze in comparison.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 10:58
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Iv got to say Iím a fan of the Jet2 model.

They are being careful with fleet and doing well and seem to be learning from the failures of others so not expanding too rapidly, rather slowly and steadily. This way they havenít been running into huge staffing or aircraft issues.

Fleet wise. My money says that future fleet expansion once all 738 stock has been used up will probably go towards airbus with a combined fleet of 332/321s but thatís probably quite far off in all honesty.

Expanding further SW, I think thereís probably a market at CWL and BOH, EXT would depend upon how things play out with BE and FR, NQY might throw a curve ball, I wouldnít rule out NqY as an inbound market if things go slightly wrong with Europe , £/Ä etc, it wouldnít surprise me to see them start offering some package type deals from the midlands and NE into NQY


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Old 9th Apr 2019, 11:29
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This has also been covered by the CEO, stating he wants to continue growth at all bases before moving elsewhere. reasonable candidates would probably be CWL, EXT or BOH (BRS is full and SOU doesn't have the runway)
flybmi used to park up to seven aircraft at BRS - not any more. Two more aircraft stands are nearing completion to go with four others built in recent years. The airport currently has a planning application lodged with the local authority requesting the current 10 mppa limit be raised to 12 mppa, a figure they project reaching by the mid 2020s.

All that sounds as though there is life in the airport yet. In fact, the master plan consultation documents speak of up to 20 mppa by the 2040s.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 13:38
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Originally Posted by LBAflyer22 View Post
Having gone into STN - the Ryanair fortress - i think they'll find BRS and/or CWL and that area a breeze in comparison.
I wouldn't count on that.
Firstly STN is owned by MAG bo they would've got a good deal from a company they already know and it's them expanding into London a massive market.

Secondly there most likely target would be Bristol which has a large Easyjet base and to BRS TUI is extremely important to them due to them providing with their only long haul routes. Jet2 risks pushing TUI out and the long haul routes with them. So I doubt very much Jet2 would get the deal they want and the ability to expand like they have at BHX and STN. As for others they probably feel they are to small a markets individually and CWL especially won't want to lose another airline and may not want to jeopardise any relationship with Ryanair.
Any base I feel would have to start small with 2 or 3 aircraft and slowly grown similar to Belfast.
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Old 9th Apr 2019, 14:09
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"The Southwest- I think they`ll find it uber competitive here".....a hoot.

LBAflyer22 is spot on.
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