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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:00
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The A330 does seem more adept to this type of flying than the 787 which has a capacity around the 290-300 mark
When we operate our 787-8’s in SH config they have 345 seats, so not far off an A330. Not sure the plastic jet is the most suitable for many short sectors though. Boeing built them for long haul which is what we use them predominantly for, supplemented with a little short haul in the summer. I assume Jet2 would be the other way around, mainly short haul, with a few longer sectors to New York in the winter.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:08
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Originally Posted by H44 View Post


When we operate our 787-8’s in SH config they have 345 seats, so not far off an A330. Not sure the plastic jet is the most suitable for many short sectors though. Boeing built them for long haul which is what we use them predominantly for, supplemented with a little short haul in the summer. I assume Jet2 would be the other way around, mainly short haul, with a few longer sectors to New York in the winter.

Thanks - guess you are TOM/BY?
Indeed, not sure what Boeing factored in on the 787 for regular short haul ops - The 767 from the outset could do both as BY and BA both well utilised.

Sigh the 767 was so versatile - Do a Palma or a ski flight in the morning then send it off to MCO or MBA!
273-290 in the -200 and 320 or so in the -300

Jet2 only have a small NYC series in the winter but use their A330's from MAN to the peak sun spots TFS PMI etc.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:12
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Aren't the NYC charters just there because the 757's can do them? Don't think that sort of range will be a key driver for a replacement.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:14
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Originally Posted by LBAflyer22 View Post
A321 for me all the way. Unless they do order the Max 8 and maybe the Max9 to be a people mover.
The A321Neo or A321LR Neo would be able to reach destination that the 737 max aircraft wouldn’t. This would help allow LS holiday to expand there range of destinations to places like Gambia, Israel and UAE as well as offer city breaks to destinations on East Coast states.

I am guessing the 757 crew would have to retrain anyway to convert to a 737.

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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:20
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
Aren't the NYC charters just there because the 757's can do them? Don't think that sort of range will be a key driver for a replacement.
Sorry I assumed the 330's did the NYC's

Can Jet 2 757 do NYC with 235 pax - doubt it
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:50
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They've been doing NYC for years on the 757.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 15:58
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They've been doing NYC for years on the 757.
10 years to be precise, and yes, the B757 makes it even out of LBA.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 16:37
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Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants View Post


10 years to be precise, and yes, the B757 makes it even out of LBA.
The 757 is so versatile that the only reason Leeds has a NYC city break is because of that aircraft. LBA is the only airport to use the 757 to EWR next winter, all other airports will be using the A330.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 17:14
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BAladdy - Telaviv and Gambia are within reach of 737 - 800 from the UK, and certainly within reach of the max, the issue becomes one of flight time limitations and cost of night stopping crews, if you only do one flight a week you end up spending a lot of money on crew hotels.

As for crew training, whilst the 757 crews would have to retrain to fly an Airbus or a Max, once they’d retrained for a Max then there would be far more flexibility for crewing or rostering as any of the company’s pilots could fly any of its aircraft.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 21:10
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Tel Aviv and Gambia will not be on the scope of Jet2/Jet2holidays. Tel Aviv is catered for out of MAN by easy and soon to be El Al (or is it their LCC arm). I can only see BJL been added to the network as a charter for them on behalf of The Gambia Experience tour operator. Thus the risk is smaller - the aircraft and the staff are the only ones there. Once the customers are in Banjul/Gambia it is the responsibility of the tour operator.

They do not need the range anymore - the NYC market will be taken care of by the A330 which will move 327 in one go to EWR (and id probably guess eventually will be out of LBA in 2021/2022 with some figure bashing in HQ to make it work). That is why the Max 9, 900ER or A321 are good products for the airline to purchase for people moving.

If Jet2 were to order WB aircraft - imo they would be supported by Jet2holidays venturing into the long haul market. I personally think however there are a few things left to do in Europe first:

Firm up the Italian Network (Currently only serve VCE, VRN, PSA, FCO & NAP). Can see Sicily been added and maybe one more on the mainland.
Continue on the growth of the Greek Network - they have overtook TCX in what was once their strong market with Manos.
Success of STN/BHX will keep them busy - add another base in the Southwest to have full coverage of the UK.
Turkey. They love Turkey - so much so an A330 is going to DLM and AYT this year from MAN. Daily flights from STN, 7 from MAN, 6 from BHX.
Bulgaria - build up the volume into there.
Cities - continue to build these up. There is one or two maybe 3 they could go to - LIS/OPO, MXP/BGY, ATH, MAD.

There is probably a lot also going on behind the scenes within the business. I think Jet2/Jet2holidays are busy at the moment and as a business, you can never venture off into everything all at once.
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Old 5th Mar 2019, 23:05
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Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants View Post


10 years to be precise, and yes, the B757 makes it even out of LBA.
Though sometimes via GLA when the wind / QNH wasn't favourable....

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Old 6th Mar 2019, 05:44
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Originally Posted by LiamNCL View Post
The 757 is so versatile that the only reason Leeds has a NYC city break is because of that aircraft. LBA is the only airport to use the 757 to EWR next winter, all other airports will be using the A330.
Thanks for the LBA 757 NYC heads up, I never knew that (living down here in the South) - yes having worked with the 757 since 1983 they are an irreplaceable and versatile beast.

Does Jet 2 have a payload limit out of LBA for NYC?

Going westbound we didn't send the 757 back then to NYC - we went mostly to Orlando Mexico and the Caribbean (with a stop at Bangor usually, except from GLA and NCL that could make it non-stop both ways on occasion)
Going the other way (East) from LGW we could do BAH or DXB non stop usually (EB and WB) but with around 205 pax (Not 223, 228 or 235 as was the 757 max's back then)
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 06:26
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Originally Posted by excrab View Post
BAladdy - Telaviv and Gambia are within reach of 737 - 800 from the UK, and certainly within reach of the max, the issue becomes one of flight time limitations and cost of night stopping crews, if you only do one flight a week you end up spending a lot of money on crew hotels.

As for crew training, whilst the 757 crews would have to retrain to fly an Airbus or a Max, once they’d retrained for a Max then there would be far more flexibility for crewing or rostering as any of the company’s pilots could fly any of its aircraft.
Yes the 737-800 or Max can make TLV Cape Verde and Banjul and likely could make DXB from UK (Transavia go from AMS and Norwegian from OSL) but Banjul is a nightstop for crews due FTL.
Banjul is not really a seat only destination but usually sold as a package and has a limited appeal (its seasonal too) - I think Gambia Experience used Small Planet or Enter Air but now uses it's own Titan charters.

TLV is a prime route and yes you can crew it there and back.
Cape Verde I'm not 100% sure but from Northern UK airports I doubt FTL would allow there and back crewing.

Jet 2 wisely pulled out of Egypt some years ago and I doubt they will go back there anytime soon (nor Tunisia) - They have been rightly cautious and seem to stick to safe bread and butter routes.

They have for S19 gone big for Bulgaria - The beach resorts there were pushed to the UK IT market as long ago as the late 1960's but their popularity came and went - Even after 1989 when the ''Wall'' came down and seen as less 'soviet' - I would not say that it is an exotic destination but I guess with losing Egypt and Tunisia (and there was downturn with Turkey) I guess Jet2 think they can make a go of Bourgas this summer - In the winter ski is popular in Bulgaria.
They are ramping up Turkey and I hope they do well but it has been a destination with constant security concerns.

Unless they keep some 733 or 757 they cannot use the 738 or Max into GIB so that market is likely off limits.
Had they been interested in GIB they would have started the route soon after Monarch dropped out.

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Old 6th Mar 2019, 12:51
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I don't believe any of the NYC flights have operated with 235 seats, the closest would have been 232 on the B752,
As mentioned before, some have gone direct, others with a GLA tech stop, depending on weight/ weather
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 17:40
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly View Post
I don't believe any of the NYC flights have operated with 235 seats, the closest would have been 232 on the B752,
As mentioned before, some have gone direct, others with a GLA tech stop, depending on weight/ weather
All Jet2 B757 are 235 seats and have been for a couple of years.
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Old 6th Mar 2019, 17:48
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly View Post
I don't believe any of the NYC flights have operated with 235 seats, the closest would have been 232 on the B752,
As mentioned before, some have gone direct, others with a GLA tech stop, depending on weight/ weather
All the NYC flights I operated were in 235 config.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 00:08
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Flight capped.

All the NYC flights I operated were in 235 config.
LBA flights for certain, and I think possibly NCL flights, were flight capped at 220 pax, though the aircraft obviously was in a 235 config.
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 17:22
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I took over 220 out of NCL on my first trip.
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 07:16
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Originally Posted by 4Screwaircrew View Post
I took over 220 out of NCL on my first trip.
Was it non-stop or via say MAN or GLA
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 07:40
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Is JET2 now the second biggest fleet in the UK after Easy?
I know of course some Easy are based overseas. I have about 158 Easy aircraft and 100 jet2.
TUI have under 60 in the UK and whilst the group maybe slightly bigger many are overseas.

The continued rise of JET2 who could be up to 125 aircraft by 2021 is incredible
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