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Old 30th May 2020, 13:25
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
This the British aren’t wanted is platitudinous drivel without evidence.

Almost all the European tourist centres can‘t wait for the Brits to return and in numbers !

The current resistance is rather more routed in decisions made in and around Whitehall !
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52854979

Decision not made in Whitehall.
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Old 30th May 2020, 13:52
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Originally Posted by inOban
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52854979

Decision not made in Whitehall.
it was in a way as we haven't got Covid19 under control.
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Old 30th May 2020, 15:22
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Originally Posted by inOban
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52854979

Decision not made in Whitehall.
There's am element of truth in that the UK unilaterally imposing quarantine on arrival into UK has goaded some countries that (perhaps foolishly) not imposed quarantine on arrivals from the UK to do so; that said, our infection rates are still too high, hopefully in the next couple of weeks there'll be some real signs of improvement and the UK quarantine and any tit-for-tat measures rendered unnecessary.
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Old 30th May 2020, 15:52
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Snakes bite

When I was growing up in the northern countryside my Dad gave me good advice - "if you are out waking and stand on an adders head, be sure to keep your foot on its neck until its dead. If you take your foot off too soon, it'll bite you probably harder than it might have done first time."
Remember that when our super-lax, very British way of not dealing with Covid19 properly first time round, alliows it to come back with a Vengeance (about 21 days after the those essential things called Pubs etc reopen?).
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Old 30th May 2020, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Flying Hi
When I was growing up in the northern countryside my Dad gave me good advice - "if you are out waking and stand on an adders head, be sure to keep your foot on its neck until its dead. If you take your foot off too soon, it'll bite you probably harder than it might have done first time."
Remember that when our super-lax, very British way of not dealing with Covid19 properly first time round, alliows it to come back with a Vengeance (about 21 days after the those essential things called Pubs etc reopen?).
Far too much thread drift; but the only way pubs are going to open safely is for a) no standing allowed, b) 2 people max per table unless from the same household, c) table service only - no buying from the bar. Pretty much like the way it's done across most of Europe, and a deal more civilised than standing shoulder to shoulder wafting brown drinking vouchers in the hope of getting served! If that isn't done then I agree, 21 days and we'll be back to square one.

Best head back to Jet2 now!
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Old 30th May 2020, 17:35
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
This the British aren’t wanted is platitudinous drivel without evidence.

Almost all the European tourist centres can‘t wait for the Brits to return and in numbers !

The current resistance is rather more routed in decisions made in and around Whitehall !
It’s Greece that have their head screwed on. If the tables were turned and it was us with virtually no deaths would you want plane loads of tourists from a country with six times the number of daily deaths as the second highest European country turning up? I suspect, and hope, the answer is no.
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Old 30th May 2020, 18:52
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JZBL came from Leeds. Due back a STN 20.35.
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Old 30th May 2020, 19:40
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Originally Posted by Stanstedeye
JZBL came from Leeds. Due back a STN 20.35.
Ah, but what was the trip purpose OR why Athens?
Just curious.
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Old 30th May 2020, 20:02
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Originally Posted by Flying Hi
Ah, but what was the trip purpose OR why Athens?
Just curious.
It was a charter flight, another one will be operated from STN to ATH on June 6th. Maleth seems to be doing some of these as well lately.

There were a couple Jet2 charter flights recently to/from OTP to pick up fruit pickers to work in the U.K., but I’ve no idea what the reason behind these Athens charters is.
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Old 31st May 2020, 15:47
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Positioning callsign for the return so must've been carrying passengers out. Quick skim through FR24 departures, potentially passengers transferring to CA864?
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Old 31st May 2020, 16:03
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Probably a repatriation flight taking Greeks back to Athens in the absence of schedule services.

Why would Jet2 be taking people to connect to an Air China flight from Athens when 6x Air China aircraft leave LHR every day?
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Old 31st May 2020, 16:06
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Originally Posted by Vokes55
Probably a repatriation flight taking Greeks back to Athens in the absence of schedule services.

Why would Jet2 be taking people to connect to an Air China flight from Athens when 6x Air China aircraft leave LHR every day?
Because that flight had capacity and LHR didn't ?
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Old 31st May 2020, 16:14
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
Because that flight had capacity and LHR didn't ?
They’ve been flying out empty after delivering PPE and Cargo into LHR. Plenty of capacity if it were needed.

And why is taking passengers to Athens to connect independently onto an Air China flight more likely than simply taking some of the many Greeks that reside in London, particularly North London, back to Athens as their country opens up but no direct scheduled flights from London exist?
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Old 31st May 2020, 18:01
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There are severe restrictions on passenger flights to China, along the lines of once per week from an individual country per carrier. I maybe wrong on the specifics, but I'm pretty certain Air China can only do 1 passenger flight per week from LHR to PEK
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Old 31st May 2020, 20:34
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Then they’d have been able to put a flight from LHR to PEK on, as they currently do zero per week (for passengers).

I’m not sure what the point of the discussion is. Jet2 aren’t flying people to Athens to connect to an Air China flight. The suggestion was daft and doesn’t warrant a thread drift.
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 09:13
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The Sale of Fowler Welch

I see that Jet2s owner has sold its distribution and logistics business for almost £100 million, to concentrate on its airline and tour operating interests.
I used to work for an Airline & Engineering company that also over the years sold off its assets, until it owned next to nothing and as such is no longer here.
Its not always a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket, they have sold off the only part of the business that is likely to make a profit in this financial year.
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 12:36
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Originally Posted by Mr @ Spotty M
Its not always a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket, they have sold off the only part of the business that is likely to make a profit in this financial year.
You really think that the profits from FWC are in any way significant enough to run an airline during a pandemic? The Airline are highly profitable when we aren't experiencing political apocalypse. I'd suggest they are turning that cash influx into a quite promising expansion/re-focusing plan for the impending recovery (but having watched their evolution I'd also add measured) . I think your estimate of the business sustainability of the airline is based on very little inside knowledge.
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 12:38
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Originally Posted by Mr @ Spotty M
I see that Jet2s owner has sold its distribution and logistics business for almost £100 million, to concentrate on its airline and tour operating interests........they have sold off the only part of the business that is likely to make a profit in this financial year.
FW put £3.9M into the profit for 2019, so whilst some profit is better than none, it’s not a big player in the grand scheme of things and shows where the senior management know where they are going to make the serious money........I hope.
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 12:49
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You really think that the profits from FWC are in any way significant enough to run an airline during a pandemic?
It wasn't suggested that they were, but heaven forbid that anybody offers an alternative view...
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Old 1st Jun 2020, 13:00
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Is Fowler Welch a top 3 player in its markets or is it a relatively minor player ?
Is there any major overlap between Jet2 and FW which allows significant cost savings ?
In normal times - which generates higher return on equity ?

A company that does food distribution and also an airline seems a little unfocussed to me - Dart have to decide what kind of company they want to be, what their core market is and then do it well
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