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Old 28th Nov 2019, 07:58
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I notice the first EWR flights are leaving from LBA & NCL today.

Is it only LBA using the B752 and all other departure airports are using the A332?
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 08:51
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Originally Posted by Be a good chap View Post
I notice the first EWR flights are leaving from LBA & NCL today.

Is it only LBA using the B752 and all other departure airports are using the A332?
Yes, LBA is the only airport that can't handle the A330, so they have to stick with the B752
Of the 10 B752 left in the fleet, only 5 can make the distance (winglet).

All other airports can handle the A330,
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 09:01
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I thought it was because they were etops not range restricted as winglets don`t increase range just make
plane more efficient.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 09:41
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Originally Posted by chaps1954 View Post
winglets don`t increase range just make
plane more efficient.
which in turn increases range. Not by much maybe 2-300 miles.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 09:48
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Still don`t think it has altered the range it is allowed to fly
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 10:10
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AB, AC, AE, AK and AN comprise the Jet2 ETOPS 757 fleet. All have winglets but I don't know if there are any other significant differences between these aircraft and their other 757s.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 10:47
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Originally Posted by Mooncrest View Post
AB, AC, AE, AK and AN comprise the Jet2 ETOPS 757 fleet. All have winglets but I don't know if there are any other significant differences between these aircraft and their other 757s.
stricter maintenance regime, different equipment required on board amongst other things,
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 10:48
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Originally Posted by chaps1954 View Post
Still don`t think it has altered the range it is allowed to fly
Allowed to fly? They dont have a set max range. If the aircraft consumes less fuel over a set distance then it has more range.

As has been said it will be due to etops requirements rather than winglets although suspect all the 757 are maintained to etops standards otherwise parts stockholding becomes a nightmare. The winglets will give a bit more leeway especially going westbound at this time of year.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 11:25
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Originally Posted by chaps1954 View Post
Still don`t think it has altered the range it is allowed to fly
The winglets make the aircraft more efficient, which reduces the fuel flow per hour at the same airspeed and therefore increases its range. What they don't do is increase the allowable still air time/distance from a suitable airport (the ETOPS rule under which the aircraft is operating), which may be what you're thinking of.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 12:11
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excrab probably thanks. Am I right non etops will have to fly much closer to land/airports therefore probably making a much longer journey
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 12:46
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Originally Posted by excrab View Post
What they don't do is increase the allowable still air time/distance from a suitable airport (the ETOPS rule under which the aircraft is operating), which may be what you're thinking of.
I'm not questioning your 757 knowledge but the 737 800s with winglets have a greater allowable distance to a suitable alternate than non-winglet 800s.

Not the same as the 757?
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 13:45
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For non etops flights, the plane needs to fly not further than the distance flown in 60mins at the one engine inop cruising speed in still air, which are:

B737-800 Non Winglet = 395nm
B737-800 Winglet = 400nm
B757-200 = 400nm

So having winglets on the 737 does (just!) make a difference whereas on the 757 it doesn’t.
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 15:17
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Originally Posted by rubymurray View Post
For non etops flights, the plane needs to fly not further than the distance flown in 60mins at the one engine inop cruising speed in still air, which are:

B737-800 Non Winglet = 395nm
B737-800 Winglet = 400nm
B757-200 = 400nm

So having winglets on the 737 does (just!) make a difference whereas on the 757 it doesn’t.
Just as a point of interest where does the A-321 and A-321WL fit in on that scale, or A-332 ?
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 18:07
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Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur View Post

Just as a point of interest where does the A-321 and A-321WL fit in on that scale, or A-332 ?
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No idea, they haven’t appeared in our manuals yet but as a guess I’d say they’d be roughly the same as the Boeings at 400nm
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Old 28th Nov 2019, 20:02
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Originally Posted by rubymurray View Post


No idea, they haven’t appeared in our manuals yet but as a guess I’d say they’d be roughly the same as the Boeings at 400nm
A321-211 is 385nm, 231 is 373.
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comparing v the 300
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 08:58
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According to Jethro's yesterday, Jet2 have acquired a further two 2nd hand B737-800's.

G-DRTY & G-DRTZ (Ex Okay Airways B-5575 & B-5577, but formerly Ryanair EI-DAT & EI-DAX). Both around 16 years old.

The fleet continues to expand.
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Old 30th Nov 2019, 10:12
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Any pickle fork issues with Jet2.com?
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 08:48
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Originally Posted by Be a good chap View Post
I notice the first EWR flights are leaving from LBA & NCL today.

Is it only LBA using the B752 and all other departure airports are using the A332?
GLA's flight was the week before..
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Old 1st Dec 2019, 10:41
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First flight was 18th Nov ex MAN then posn empty to GLA then seems to operate 2/3 a week with the other days doing Manchester to Canaries
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