Edinburgh-3

[CabinCrewe]

Originally Posted by Plane mad 134

American are due to be making an announcement soon, could Edinburgh have a change, it was leaked they were going to shuffle up everything.

So after the big announcement today is there more to come, as seems nothing for EDI.

[Plane mad 134]

Yes there will be another announcement next week, regarding EU route changes, and frequency changes, I also heard this will include Asia routes too.

[globaltraveller]

Originally Posted by EI-BUD

In Dublin Cathay is doing well and Hainan launched their Schenzhen route in response to Cathay's Hong Kong. It was a last minute launch without time to get forward bookings in order. Seems like poor planning. The brand doesn't resonate in Ireland, though that doesn't matter the greatest share of the pax will be originating in Asia.

Cathay at Edinburgh would be very tantalising, but I agree with other posters that the huge capacity that exists on the Middle Eastern routes from the Scottish market (i.e EDI and GLA) at the moment must surely mitigate against this. The political turbulence in the UK probably doesn't help either.

[ScotsSLF]

Originally Posted by tartan 201

https://twitter.com/BBCDouglasF/stat...96989899071488


https://twitter.com/BBCDouglasF/stat...96989899071488

"Days after WizzAir announced Edinburgh @EDI_Airport links to Gdansk, Warsaw, Budapest + Bucharest, Ryanair says it’s winter schedule will add the Romanian capital and increase services into the other 3. Perhaps the traffic of east European workers will step up post-Brexit."

More like the standard response from FR to force any upstart competitor off their patch.

[CabinCrewe]

Originally Posted by ScotsSLF

More like the standard response from FR to force any upstart competitor off their patch.

Yes, would be surprised if those schedules for both carriers remain in 12 months time...

[VickersVicount]

A nice little article on the demise of Hainan EDI / DUB services
"industry commentators have noted that it’s never performed that well'
https://simpleflying.com/hainan-cuts-dublin-flights/
Still clinging on to suggestion of a summer only return though

[Porrohman]

Originally Posted by globaltraveller

Cathay at Edinburgh would be very tantalising, but I agree with other posters that the huge capacity that exists on the Middle Eastern routes from the Scottish market (i.e EDI and GLA) at the moment must surely mitigate against this. The political turbulence in the UK probably doesn't help either.

Hong Kong has a lot of indirect traffic from EDI. In addition, it is on the great circle route and is closer to its midpoint for destinations down under meaning that it should be more economic to operate (less fuel burned carrying fuel) and offer faster journey times than via the ME. Hong Kong would also offer good connections and faster journey times to many Far East destinations and there's a lot of cargo potential. Hopefully it won't be long before Cathay, an alliance partner or an airline with fifth freedom rights, adds Hong Kong from EDI.

[mike current]

I think it's safe to say there'll be no Cathay at EDI. Just like it was easy to predict that Hainan would last a year or 2 max.
2 airlines serving Bucharest and multiple eastern European destinations also are not sustainable.

The economy is slowing down and Brexit hasn't even come yet. I think 2019 is going to be a peak year and be lucky if it flatlines from here.
I hope I am wrong!

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by mike current

I think it's safe to say there'll be no Cathay at EDI. Just like it was easy to predict that Hainan would last a year or 2 max.
2 airlines serving Bucharest and multiple eastern European destinations also are not sustainable.

The economy is slowing down and Brexit hasn't even come yet. I think 2019 is going to be a peak year and be lucky if it flatlines from here.
I hope I am wrong!

Thats a very pessimistic and sceptical outlook. A week pound and new future trading relationships to be sought makes the potential for international visitors and growth higher. The UK May have had one quarter of slow down but that is not the same everywhere. Good things happen if you take a more positive and broader approach. I am not saying that growth at the airport won’t be affected but there is still opportunities as Edinburgh (and Scotland) has a strong international brand and appeal to sell.

[globaltraveller]

Originally Posted by mike current

I think it's safe to say there'll be no Cathay at EDI. Just like it was easy to predict that Hainan would last a year or 2 max.
2 airlines serving Bucharest and multiple eastern European destinations also are not sustainable.

The economy is slowing down and Brexit hasn't even come yet. I think 2019 is going to be a peak year and be lucky if it flatlines from here.
I hope I am wrong!

I do think that is fairly pessimistic. There is good scope for further long haul development from EDI and it isn’t just from outbound tourists. A lot of the recent traffic declines at EDI coincide with global, rather than localised, recessions. And as the poster above notes a weak Pound is good for the inbounds. It is interesting to note that whilst the number of overseas visitors to the UK, as a whole, is declining in Scotland quite the opposite is happening with good growth In numbers.

Not wanting to start a bunfight but how much is the current political volatility in the UK (if at all) holding back route development at EDI and other airports? It must surely factor into commercial decisions, even if it just means adopting a “wait and see” approach for the moment?

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

Thats a very pessimistic and sceptical outlook. A week pound and new future trading relationships to be sought makes the potential for international visitors and growth higher. The UK May have had one quarter of slow down but that is not the same everywhere. Good things happen if you take a more positive and broader approach. I am not saying that growth at the airport won’t be affected but there is still opportunities as Edinburgh (and Scotland) has a strong international brand and appeal to sell.

Whilst the UK and the Tories are talking the talk re external Trade deals which are simply terms in which B2B can exchange goods and services and what range of duties and taxes are paid - Not the same as FREE TRADE TERMS these are actually somewhat rarer cepting the current rather pleasurable terms with our EU partners and the something like 50+ already completed arrangements in place including those with Japan , Canada , Republic of Korea and most of South America -excepting Brasil and Argentina which are concluded and waiting ratification, much of Africa and even Singapore with New Zealand and Australia near concluded.

Frankly those in high office in the civil service and diplomatic core know this VERY WELL and that the UK WILL be a minnow or even adjunct to future significant trade deals with you know who yeah that devil over in Flanders , nothing like our freedom to choose is it ?

THE ONLY THING WE WIN ( if you even believe that is immigration controls of sorts)

Brexit will not significantly increase international long haul travel to new places imho its more faith based than factual.

Indeed some actual retrenchment is more likely over the medium term to be honest -we are headed towards recession or at best nil growth in 2020 anyway - as is the EU for differing but parallel reasons including usual economic cycle events imho

False cheeriness doesn’t change global economic conditions - What changes things is business confidence profitability investments and ultimately consumer purchasing power all reflected in solid stock equity and gilts traded in the global markets.

Any and or All of those go weak , people begin to loose their livelihood and that’s already visible in the Steel, Auto, Aviation and Marine industries with agriculture deeply worried across the UK and many many others over the last year or so.

Economical cycles swing rather quickly without inflicting unnecessary wounds of your own making, because of a few Lincolnshire labourers and so called fishermen and women taking an irrational disliking to hard working and ambitious Polish arrivals taking their jobs oh and downright lies about federalism and national identity and distant political and democratic accountability.

Rant over sorry

[fjencl]

I see from the Glasgow thread that easyjet from March 2020 will be operating a new route from GLA - BHX - GLA 13 times a week.

Nice to see that there will be competition on the route, perhaps the prices will become cheaper as flybe have been the only operator on that route for years.

Perhaps easyjet will do the same at Edinburgh and put competition on the EDI - BHX - EDI route.

[inOban]

There is competition. It's called the train, every two hours. And brand new ones later this year.

[fjencl]

Originally Posted by inOban

There is competition. It's called the train, every two hours. And brand new ones later this year.

Airlines, Airports & Routes as this topic is headed !!!! Whats that got to do with Trains every 2 hours, and brand new ones later this year. Surely if i was talking about competition about Train fares then i would be posting my comments on a Rail Forum.

[ScotsSLF]

Originally Posted by fjencl

Airlines, Airports & Routes as this topic is headed !!!! Whats that got to do with Trains every 2 hours, and brand new ones later this year. Surely if i was talking about competition about Train fares then i would be posting my comments on a Rail Forum.

May be frequent but at journey times of over 4 hours and prices between £129 and £310 return then perhaps not quite the competition to the air option that it may appear.

[inOban]

Please don't compare full rate, turn up and go rail fares with pre-booked plane fares. You can travel tomorrow afternoon from Glasgow to Birmingham for about £40.
btw, I was wrong about the new trains, they're for Scotland to Man.

[inOban]

http://www.edinburghairport.com/abou...ottish-airport

Numbers almost flat from last year due to the fall in domestic numbers, and much slower growth in international business. Still complaining about APD.

[willy wombat]

Has Mr Dewar not noticed that Norwegian has pulled all its Irish transatlantic flights? You can hardly blame APD for that.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by willy wombat

Has Mr Dewar not noticed that Norwegian has pulled all its Irish transatlantic flights? You can hardly blame APD for that.

I think he has rightly got to keep banging the drum about APD. Surely it makes sense to keep it for domestic flights where there are other options but relax it for direct international routes where we could see growth to support the economy in Scotland.

There is still so much potential on the international front at EDI which should be supported at all costs.

[willy wombat]

Regardless of whether it makes sense, this banging on about APD is swimming against the environmentalist tide.