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Old 10th Jan 2019, 22:16
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Emirates performance

Does anyone have insight into how the new Emirates Dubai service is performing?

i heard from a source within Emirates that the real reason for the EDI rotation reductions in November and from now through May is because of soft booking numbers and not aircraft or pilot shortages.

Surely this won’t be helped by the service increase at GLA.
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Old 10th Jan 2019, 22:28
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That is surprising. EK in time over the coming year (perhaps outwith A380 short term novelty) will increase significantly im sure. EY and QR were slow burners when launched.
Unless shenanigans with fare promotion/diversion to support GLA service, GLA and NCL will continue to show slow decreases.
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam
Does anyone have insight into how the new Emirates Dubai service is performing?

i heard from a source within Emirates that the real reason for the EDI rotation reductions in November and from now through May is because of soft booking numbers and not aircraft or pilot shortages.

Surely this won’t be helped by the service increase at GLA.
That is correct but the service has been very busy during the holiday season despite the flight operating daily, plus the occasional flight has been operated by a two-class aircraft due to demand in Economy. However demand for EK always surges around the festive season from all UK destinations, so this is perhaps not really a surprise. I am not sure if EY sold any tickets past the end of Sept but if they did, perhaps some traffic was spilled over to EK? Demand naturally tapers off after the festive rush though so it will get a bit quieter.

Looking ahead, the A380 service from Glasgow does pose a threat for premium traffic at EDI with the EK lounge at GLA being so very popular, in addition to the different product on the A380. If you pay for a Business or First ticket to/from Glasgow, then the EK chauffer drive service will still pick you up and drop you off anywhere in Edinburgh, so the slightly longer journey will be worth it for some.

The recently installed second airbridge on Stand 16 will greatly help in reducing boarding times though which is a positive step.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 09:30
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Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
That is surprising. EK in time over the coming year (perhaps outwith A380 short term novelty) will increase significantly im sure. EY and QR were slow burners when launched.
Unless shenanigans with fare promotion/diversion to support GLA service, GLA and NCL will continue to show slow decreases.
Have you any evidence of the Shenanigans, from my contacts at EK, said that they introduced lower fares from EDI to encourage the new route (which always an industry norm) It was also heavily advertised even in the West. EK have played fair with the routes. GLA has shown a real commitment to EK over the years and so have the locals, in time the Edinburgh route will hopefully be a success but it has more competition from other airlines in Edinburgh that will continue driving down yields.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

On reflection i also also don’t remember seeing much in the way of expansion from Jet2 in S19 posted, where as GLA has picked up some additions.
Jet2 have replaced the -300's with-800's which equates to an extra 480 seats per day in the summer.
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Old 11th Jan 2019, 16:43
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Most of the based a/c were -800s in W18. I think only 2 -300s were left.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 09:30
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Another great year for EDI.
https://www.edinburghairport.com/abo...ttish-airport/

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And to think that it's only a few years since they reached 10 million. What's odd about the December data is the 12% jump in domestic traffic, which has been almost static for years. Can't just be the return of FR to STN route which they dropped in W17.
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And to think that it's only a few years since they reached 10 million. What's odd about the December data is the 12% jump in domestic traffic, which has been almost static for years. Can't just be the return of FR to STN route which they dropped in W17.
It will be almost entirely down to FR being back on STN. Domestic up 45448, and If you look at the CAA stats for Nov the STN route was up a very similar amount to that (46260). New LDY route will also be adding a bit to help offset any decreases elsewhere.
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EDI Gate 1

Can anyone shed some light on the redevelopment work being done down at Gate 1 at EDI? Is it just internal refurbished?

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I heard it is just a refurbishment, Also any news on potential routes as it has been rather quiet on that front since Westjet talks broke down, I know there is a few airlines in talks but again nothing concrete, so any ideas?
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
I heard it is just a refurbishment, Also any news on potential routes as it has been rather quiet on that front since Westjet talks broke down, I know there is a few airlines in talks but again nothing concrete, so any ideas?
Which airlines are supposedly in talks?
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From my sources it is mostly just airlines already operating but wanting to increase seats like Delta, Qatar and United, But I have also heard Indigo and Air India were in talks as well, but I expect these to break down.

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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
I heard it is just a refurbishment, Also any news on potential routes as it has been rather quiet on that front since Westjet talks broke down, I know there is a few airlines in talks but again nothing concrete, so any ideas?
Any insight into why the WestJet talks breakdown and what route they were proposing?
Dont see any increase from Air Canada on the existing Rouge high summer route in S19 either.
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
From my sources it is mostly just airlines already operating but wanting to increase seats like Delta and United, But I have also heard Indigo and Air Indian were in talks as well, but I expect these to break down.
Why do you expect these talks (if they are happening) to breakdown with United, Delta and Indian airlines?
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Why do you expect these talks (if they are happening) to breakdown with United, Delta and Indian airlines?
He said the talks with the Indian airlines were likely to break down. IndiGo don't currently operate long haul flights, and I very much doubt their first destination would have been Edinburgh. They have apparently now decided not to proceed with launching any long haul flights, so they are out. Air India isn't in the healthiest of states at the moment, and is more likely to be cutting long haul routes, rather than adding more.

I'm surprised WestJet havent decided to launch, I thinkt hats a route that would have done quite well. Cant see much in the way of expansion from United and Delta this summer - Delta have already added a new flight, United did just last year. Short of upgrading to a 767, I can't see United wanting to add a 4th daily flight, but you never know.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 10:05
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But with the withdrawal of Norwegian, there must be some unmet demand?
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Originally Posted by inOban
But with the withdrawal of Norwegian, there must be some unmet demand?
Why did Norwegian withdraw then?
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Why did Norwegian withdraw then?
DY pulled there flights to North America due to Scottish Govt failure to cut APD.

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Westjet were due to announce Halifax, everything was agreed with EDI and now it has broken down for whatever reason, very strange as said everything was agreed in principle.

Indigo were a possibility IF they were venturing into Europe, but from my understanding the talks have been with Jet regarding a future Indian link.
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