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[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Called this utterly wrong, happy to eat my hat. Well done Delta!

[inOban]

They're entirely focused on the tourist market. I doubt that the business demand would support a frequent service using Embraer or similar sized a/c.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by A350Saltire

Wonderful news about BOS and great for EDI after Norwegian pulling out. I wonder if B6 will ever start their own TATL services from BOS or have DL beaten them to it by starting to offer more international routes from Logan.

Excellent news, looks like Dublin got the 767 upgrade on the JKF route this time around. Delta must have freed up a 757 or two for EDI somewhere. Don’t see the double daily available to book as yet however?

[Porrohman]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

Excellent news, looks like Dublin got the 767 upgrade on the JKF route this time around. Delta must have freed up a 757 or two for EDI somewhere. Don’t see the double daily available to book as yet however?

I think the double daily has been either misinterpreted by the media or been poorly drafted by Delta. I think it means there'll be two Delta flights per day at EDI; one to JFK and the other to BOS. I'd be amazed if Delta starts BOS as double daily.

[inOban]

That's what I was thinking too.

I've been considering that all the TATL from EDI are focussed on incoming passengers, because of the timings. If you are to attract traffic from more of Scotland, outside the Edinburgh area, you need westbound departures late enough to avoid an overnight stay before the flight. Even this flight, at 10.55, will mean getting to EDI by 9.00, given the extended security. Only the ORD flight at 12.00 could be described as user-friendly, while the Norwegian flights are at the other extreme.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by Porrohman

I think the double daily has been either misinterpreted by the media or been poorly drafted by Delta. I think it means there'll be two Delta flights per day at EDI; one to JFK and the other to BOS. I'd be amazed if Delta starts BOS as double daily.

I agree that a double daily is optimistic to say the least but I based this on the Travel Weekly reporting:

” The new service is on top of the existing daily service to New York-JFK. The seasonal Boston route will operate twice every day during the peak summer months.”

i can see see how an error could have occurred. This was the only report to quote this.

[GoEDI]

Originally Posted by inOban

That's what I was thinking too.

I've been considering that all the TATL from EDI are focussed on incoming passengers, because of the timings. If you are to attract traffic from more of Scotland, outside the Edinburgh area, you need westbound departures late enough to avoid an overnight stay before the flight. Even this flight, at 10.55, will mean getting to EDI by 9.00, given the extended security. Only the ORD flight at 12.00 could be described as user-friendly, while the Norwegian flights are at the other extreme.

Nothing to do with the passenger profile at EDI specifically, it is simply the most efficient way for US based carriers to schedule their transatlantic ops given the time difference etc. It's replicated Europe wide, with the odd exception at the likes of LHR. The flights are primarily timed to ensure maximum connecting opportunities at whatever US hub they are arriving into. For those not connecting it also means outbound pax don't lose a whole day at the start of their trip with a late arrival, so they are most certainly user friendly to outbound IMO.

UA ORD is an 1130 departure, BOS will only be 35mins earlier. Norwegian being EDI originating and no transfer pax at the US end is a different beast.

[inOban]

Fair enough. Why does the ORD a/c spend so much longer on the ground in EDI than the other TATL flights?
What proportion of pax are connecting onwards? By all accounts tgere are still many, possibly the majority, of TATL passengers who choose to fly via LHR or AMS. Is it just prices?

[GoEDI]

Originally Posted by inOban

Fair enough. Why does the ORD a/c spend so much longer on the ground in EDI than the other TATL flights?
What proportion of pax are connecting onwards? By all accounts tgere are still many, possibly the majority, of TATL passengers who choose to fly via LHR or AMS. Is it just prices?

Not sure, presumably scheduling reasons as it staggers the EDI departure/US arrival times quite nicely which again will be to provide maximum connecting opportunities across all 3 UA flights.

Large amount of connections especially in summer, Florida always the main one.

[A350Saltire]

Originally Posted by inOban

Fair enough. Why does the ORD a/c spend so much longer on the ground in EDI than the other TATL flights?
What proportion of pax are connecting onwards? By all accounts tgere are still many, possibly the majority, of TATL passengers who choose to fly via LHR or AMS. Is it just prices?

I am sure that UA use EDI to rotate aircraft round between their hubs, so the aircraft that comes in from ORD might head back to EWR or IAD and vice versa. They used to do this anyway.

i did wonder if DL would do the same with JFK and BOS.

[Plane mad 134]

Latest rumour I heard is Air Canada and Westjet both in talks with the airport for a year round Toronto service, fingers crossed this happens.

[Plane mad 134]

It seems like Aer Lingus will be using mainline aircraft from the 31st of March to Dublin on the morning service which is a nice increase in seats.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by A350Saltire

I am sure that UA use EDI to rotate aircraft round between their hubs, so the aircraft that comes in from ORD might head back to EWR or IAD and vice versa. They used to do this anyway.

i did wonder if DL would do the same with JFK and BOS.

is the Delta JFK route only 5 weekly in W18? Has their been cut from daily?

[inOban]

It's always been 5pw until the turn of the year, and suspended from then until the end of March.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by inOban

It's always been 5pw until the turn of the year, and suspended from then until the end of March.

Thank you InOban,
I don’t expect an increase in aircraft size any time soon on this route if it’s not even daily yet. Besides looks like Delta are reducing the number of 767 in their fleet.

[VickersVicount]

it could be 763 high summer, but dont it expect it myself. They had opportunity previously with route changes and never redeployed. The 757 is a perfect fit. If it had the legs for ATL is might have given that a better chance of being a success.

[edinv]

Originally Posted by Plane mad 134

It seems like Aer Lingus will be using mainline aircraft from the 31st of March to Dublin on the morning service which is a nice increase in seats.

Mo Th F & Su EI3250/1 A320 wef 31 March 19 (source expert flyer)

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Isn’t this still a STOBART flight using mainline equipment? There’s a scope clause agreement in play here IIRC.
Look at the flight numbers....

[Plane mad 134]

Loganair announced 4 new routes today to:
Bergen 3x weekly Emb135
Stavanger 4x weekly Emb135
Guernsey 1x weekly Emb135
Islay 1x daily Saab340

Isle of Man gets an extra weekly flight as well.

This is great to hear and there is a possiblity of a few more new routes in the coming months, now this was something I didn't see happening and Im really glad to see it though.

[01475]

It'll be interesting to see what happens with Islay in the long run. I wonder if this might be the beginning of us finding out which central belt airport can generate the most demand for flights to and from the islands (is serving both really going to be viable?) I suspect the answer might be something messy like that Edinburgh is better at generating demand to the Isles and Glasgow is better at generating demand from the isles?