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[j636]

APD is a red herring when most other T/A carriers have been growing ex UK. Low cost T/A only appears to only be working from Capital Cities in Europe to main (ish) airports in the US where there is established operation. Premiair Air, Level and Norwegian appear to be all focusing on these places.

Saying that EDI should have delivered better results with or without APD.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by inOban

I think that the rise in oil prices, and slow growth in the UK economy (never mind the risk of a B*tsh*t Brexit) will result in quite slow growth in the UK airline market generally -as indeed could be seeyat many airports this year, although the fine summer depressed last-minute bookings also.

As far as Norwegian, BCN will be served daily next summer by both FR and Vueling. TFS is served by four airlines/holiday companies, and if there is a need for more capacity, then I'm sure it will be provided.

The TATL flights had high = profitable fares for only a few weeks in high season. I'm whether WOW/Kevlavik is turning into a loco equivalent of EK/Dubai. A shortish flight, a break of journey, and onward flights to almost anywhere in North America.
I doubt the loss will reduce the number of TA passengers at EDI.

The Norwegian TFS flights were at really good humane hours for families unlike the referenced “holiday” companies. Sorry there is no way I want to fly back with my family and arrive between 1 and 3 am!! Guess I will have to fly from somewhere else now......
Thanks for the heads up on The additional BCN flights.

Stunned that EK have been advertising there new EDI “daily” flights only to immediately cut to 5 days per week. Is it permanent or just for W18? Does not add up....

[CraigJay]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

The Norwegian TFS flights were at really good humane hours for families unlike the referenced “holiday” companies. Sorry there is no way I want to fly back with my family and arrive between 1 and 3 am!! Guess I will have to fly from somewhere else now......
Thanks for the heads up on The additional BCN flights.

Stunned that EK have been advertising there new EDI “daily” flights only to immediately cut to 5 days per week. Is it permanent or just for W18? Does not add up....

Pilot shortage for EK, they were meant to be taking pilots from SAA but QR came along and offered a better deal and hoovered them all up. If you have to make cuts you’re not going to cut back on well established routes, unfortunately EDI is an an easy choice.

[Andanzas]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

The Norwegian TFS flights were at really good humane hours for families unlike the referenced “holiday” companies. Sorry there is no way I want to fly back with my family and arrive between 1 and 3 am!! Guess I will have to fly from somewhere else now......
Thanks for the heads up on The additional BCN flights.

Stunned that EK have been advertising there new EDI “daily” flights only to immediately cut to 5 days per week. Is it permanent or just for W18? Does not add up....

From 28th October to Xmas and then from 15th January onwards 5/week flying only days 1,4,5,6,7

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by CraigJay

Pilot shortage for EK, they were meant to be taking pilots from SAA but QR came along and offered a better deal and hoovered them all up. If you have to make cuts you’re not going to cut back on well established routes, unfortunately EDI is an an easy choice.

Thanks for the information, does this mean that there is a chance of it going back to daily in the future?

[Plane mad 134]

Its not good to see Norwegian go and Emirates decrease before they have even started but I guess Norwegian was always going to happen anyway. On the other hand it seems positive talks are ongoing with some airlines and we may see some new routes and frequency increases soon to cover the loss.

[sinbad73]

Originally Posted by CraigJay

Pilot shortage for EK, they were meant to be taking pilots from SAA but QR came along and offered a better deal and hoovered them all up. If you have to make cuts you’re not going to cut back on well established routes, unfortunately EDI is an an easy choice.

Are you able to advise which other routes are affected by the pilot shortage?

Or ones with cheap fares/triple mileage promotions?

[VickersVicount]

Originally Posted by CraigJay

If you have to make cuts you’re not going to cut back on well established routes, unfortunately EDI is an an easy choice.

Mmm. Thats not normally how it works. For inaugural route launches its normally the opposite, where everything is thrown at a new route to ensure successful launch especially on routes where there is competition. Even QR did that at the outset when the initial launch was dire (sometimes less than 50% loads) As EK well know the one thing you most certainly dont want to do is antagonise potential high fare frequent fliers with schedule changes and cancellations (you are more likely to be able to slip them into established multi frequency routes). You'll end up losing passengers before things are established.
Perhaps EK know this route will have a big chunk of outbound one off holiday makers and honeymooners who will care not a jot.
I would imagine it will veer back daily at some point in the future.
If one GLA services goes A380 maybe that frees up 777 pilots Although if there is such a crisis in pilots - why all the expansion elsewhere?

[inOban]

Was it not already planned to be reduced for a period next year during major work on DXB?

[sinbad73]

Originally Posted by inOban

Was it not already planned to be reduced for a period next year during major work on DXB?

Yes, but there have been further reductions.

[EIFFS]

Really

Originally Posted by j636

APD is a red herring when most other T/A carriers have been growing ex UK. Low cost T/A only appears to only be working from Capital Cities in Europe to main (ish) airports in the US where there is established operation. Premiair Air, Level and Norwegian appear to be all focusing on these places.

Saying that EDI should have delivered better results with or without APD.

APD alone accounts for £78.00 per economy passenger and remember that’s only applied on the outbound add other airport charges and its easy to see that numbers don’t add up compared with ex Ireland at €3 a flight.

So for a family of 4 (kids above 16) that’s £312 in APD alone.

6 x 150 average load = 900 x 52 weeks a year 22,500 x £78 = £1,755,000 not so a red herring more a deal breaker and something the SNP promised to half then abolish, but they need the Greens to sustain their minority administration, goodbye jobs in Scotland, but no matter keep supporting PIK

[Plane mad 134]

Good news as routes online confirm Emirates will go back to Daily after the runway works in Dubai.

1st October to 27th of October- 1x daily
28th October to 3rd of December- 5x weekly
4th December to 14th of January- 1x daily
15th January to 27th of March- 5x weekly
28th March to 15th of April- 1x daily
16th April to 30th May- 5x weekly (Dubai runway works)
eff31May19 1x daily

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by EIFFS

APD alone accounts for £78.00 per economy passenger and remember that’s only applied on the outbound add other airport charges and its easy to see that numbers don’t add up compared with ex Ireland at €3 a flight.

So for a family of 4 (kids above 16) that’s £312 in APD alone.

6 x 150 average load = 900 x 52 weeks a year 22,500 x £78 = £1,755,000 not so a red herring more a deal breaker

All of which Norwegian knew and will (should) have taken into account when they launched the flights - as nothing has changed, using it as a reason to drop the flight is just an excuse.

[Porrohman]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

All of which Norwegian knew and will (should) have taken into account when they launched the flights - as nothing has changed, using it as a reason to drop the flight is just an excuse.

As mentioned several times by others earlier in this thread, Norwegian were expecting APD to be halved, then abolished.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

All of which Norwegian knew and will (should) have taken into account when they launched the flights - as nothing has changed, using it as a reason to drop the flight is just an excuse.

cant be using this excuse for the BCN and TFS routes, what’s the word on them? Are they gone?

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by Porrohman

As mentioned several times by others earlier in this thread, Norwegian were expecting APD to be halved, then abolished.

Apologies, I thought the Scottish Govts difficulties with APD pre-dated Norwegians launch of T/A flights

[inOban]

Originally Posted by Sk1schoolsam

cant be using this excuse for the BCN and TFS routes, what’s the word on them? Are they gone?

Both gone.

[mullac30]

There is always the benefit of Norwegian leaving, being that it will open up the routes for other carriers like JetBlue and Primera to operate to primary airports with better service and aircraft.

[VickersVicount]

If Norwegian struggled would be surprised to see Primera, though they do seem a little off the wall. The loss of Norwegian I cant see being inextricably linked to a sudden flurry of other mainline carriers.

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by inOban

Both gone.

Thanks inOban, very disappointing and don’t get the logic as both away based aircraft routes. Those who have access may have load factor details that may show a reason why.

(IMO feels like they are just sticking 2 fingers up to Scotland, EDI et al. Surprised they are keeping any routes ....IMO)