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Old 8th May 2018, 11:51
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Originally Posted by GLAEDI
EK have shown to still be ahead of the game with regards flights to the U.K. compared to QR & EY. The EDI flight solves the capacity issues at GLA & NCL and the fact the profit comes from the belly rather than SLF. The plans for the A380 at Glasgow will no longer be on the table as we know it’s not good for freight.

Could this be the reason the rumours regarding QR looking at their EDI route, mentioned above? They must be a tad annoyed to think that they’ve seen off EY only to get EK coming in!! Also TK must be wondering also. I know that fans of tail fins will always celebrate new carriers but how big is the market as we’ve lost EY from the Central Belt. If I remember they planned two flights a day when the route was first announced.

from what i have heard Emirates at EDI has been long in the works, with Hainan and Emirates coming to EDI this was a major reason why Etihad pulled EDI as the route was underperforming already. EDI has been working with Emirates for quite some time and has invested in upgraded taxiways etc to accomodate them.
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Old 8th May 2018, 11:55
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The other factor is the arrival of the direct Beijing flights. Some of the most valuable belly freight is fresh fish/shelfish for which the Chinese consumers have an insatiable appetite.
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Old 8th May 2018, 13:27
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Regarding TK's reaction to Emirates' arrival - do they compete for the same passengers as QR and EK? Since they don't fly to Australia but do fly to a variety of destinations in the Middle East, Central Asia, Africa and Turkey itself I always felt their market was a bit different from the ME3? Does anyone have any info on this? I would hate to see them go.
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Old 8th May 2018, 13:34
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Originally Posted by Mister Geezer
What is note worthy is the six (ish) hours the aircraft will spend on the ground in EDI, which is very rare for EK. It might sound a bit far fetched but it would give enough time to fit in a quick shuttle to somewhere that couldn't sustain a dedicated route.

Such a suggestion maybe opening up a can of worms but the exact same rumours have been circulating regarding the new STN route which has very similar schedules to this new EDI route.
I just assumed that DXB is getting busier and slots becoming rarer so they have had to calculate the costs of sitting on the ground in EDI or STN are worth it in the end. Perhaps both are timed with connecting pax in mind, or the timings of freight being trucked to the departure station?
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Old 8th May 2018, 13:37
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With a 20:15 departure it looks like its been introduced instead of a evening departure from NCL which probably wouldnt sustain a double daily 77W
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Presumably it will be towed somewhere remotely during the long layover, to save using up valuable real estate by putting a gate out of commission for 6 hours or so?
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Old 8th May 2018, 13:51
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I had inadvertently deleted my post so thanks XSBaggage for quoting it.

Pie in the sky it may sound, however this does give them the time to add a Belfast shuttle in the event that the ramifications of Brexit are detrimental to traffic flows across the Irish border, providing it of course makes financial sense! It is interesting to note that a Emirates sales team was installed in Belfast last year and their manager for Ireland reaffirmed their commitment to customers from the 'North' in the same article in The Irish News last year.

It will be interesting to see what happens here anyway and it is good news for Scotland as a whole!
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Old 8th May 2018, 14:17
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It’s nice to see emirates going to EDI but I’m concerned that we might see reductions from TK and QR, perhaps the latter might reconsider the upgraded A350. I’m not convinced that Emirates coming right now is the best thing in the long run, I’d rather have seen QR going double daily before EK arrived.
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Old 8th May 2018, 14:37
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although TK cut back to just a daily flight, from 9/so, I think, I notice on FR that some rotations are using a 737-900, so loadings must be ok. And QR has the advantage of being in the One world alliance, so will be attractive to those collecting or using Avios, or whatever they're called.

As ever, the market will decide, and the outcome will depend on the UK and world economy.
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Old 8th May 2018, 18:49
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Schedule timings looks similar to the new Stansted service starting in June - arriving 1405 and on the ground for about 6 hours before returning.
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Originally Posted by Mister Geezer
I had inadvertently deleted my post so thanks XSBaggage for quoting it.

Pie in the sky it may sound, however this does give them the time to add a Belfast shuttle in the event that the ramifications of Brexit are detrimental to traffic flows across the Irish border, providing it of course makes financial sense! It is interesting to note that a Emirates sales team was installed in Belfast last year and their manager for Ireland reaffirmed their commitment to customers from the 'North' in the same article in The Irish News last year.

It will be interesting to see what happens here anyway and it is good news for Scotland as a whole!
Or a hop to Aberdeen and back?
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Or a hop to Aberdeen and back?
Very much doubt that, the runway is too short.

I'd be backing a trip to BFS/DUB to fill the time.
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Old 9th May 2018, 15:21
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
Very much doubt that, the runway is too short.

I'd be backing a trip to BFS/DUB to fill the time.
A B77W could take off from ABZs runway at a weight of around 600,000lbs. That's more than enough for a short hop to EDI but not enough for a direct service to Dubai with a full payload. It could probably park on Apron 01 if the PCN of that apron and Taxiway Mike are sufficient. RFFS would need to be upgraded from Cat 7 to Cat 9 and the shoulders of some corners on Taxiway Mike might need to be widened. There are plenty of oil workers that would welcome a service from Aberdeen to Dubai and there's probably a lot of cargo potential.
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Originally Posted by sinbad73
Presumably it will be towed somewhere remotely during the long layover, to save using up valuable real estate by putting a gate out of commission for 6 hours or so?
EDI doesn't currently have any remote stands capable of accommodating a B77W. All four suitable stands are adjacent to the terminal. The SE end of the permanently closed Runway 12/30, including Block 33, would have been suitable but this is now fenced off and is being converted to a car park. A large number of new stands are planned for the area between the SE Apron and the former GAT / hangars but construction won't start until later this year. That said, I don't think there should be a problem keeping a B77W at a terminal stand at that time of the day. It's overnight when parking space is at a premium at EDI, not during the afternoon and early evening. An unserviceable B77W stuck at EDI for several days might be more problematic. I suspect it would be put on the South Cargo Apron but with the wings and fuselage extending considerably beyond the dimensions of the stand.
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Old 10th May 2018, 11:04
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We do know that 2015hrs is the departure time from EDI in October for S18, changes to an 1830hrs for W18 from the end of October then reverts to 2015hrs from late March 2019 for S19? Doesn't allow a lot of time for a short hop anywhere in W18 - that's for sure.
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Oh Navpi....

Gordon Dewar's 1977 build terminal cannot cope with what it has today and future facilites vs. projected traffic are at the lower end of "cheapest option."
Mr Dewar is out to maximise value for his shareholders, he's not a public servant taking a neutral view of what's best for Scotland. Not only that, but the money behind EDI is GIP, the same money behind "Your London Airport, Gatwick" which fought the most hysterical rearguard action against LHR expansion as constraining demand at LHR is what is driving growth at LGW. It's all very joined up, it's all about money, and there's no monopoly at LHR.
Consider the reason United serve both London and Scotland and yet have 17 daily flights out of LHR, *zero* from LGW and currently two daily at EDI. That's a reflection of market opportunity, this is more about long haul for LGW than getting more traffic for EDI in a market where it's barely coping with what it has today.

GIP need to properly invest in EDI in the same way they have done wonders at LGW. Getting Emirates is a great coup for EDI and frankly the second GLA is at medium term risk of moving East. If Mr Dewar can put some world class facilities into EDI I'll take his moans about LHR at face value.

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Good post, Skipness.
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Looking at the Turkish website it's showing that the B738Max is being used on the 5th, 6th August. No doubt it'll be used on other days but a new type for the airline at EDI.

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