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I've never understood why people hate the 757 over the Atlantic. Once you sit down, you're jammed in between a window, the person next to you, and the seat 2 inches in front of your face. Doesn't matter if it's a 757 or a 777, you have the same amount of space.
Having travelled quite a few times TA recently "in the back" the least room I had was T7. Comparing to similar seats on A330/T7/75/76 and 737M8 73Max was absolutely fine with zero complaints tbh.
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In all fairness, there is very little difference between the onboard product of Norwegian and the US carriers when flying in economy class from Edinburgh to New York.
Both Norwegian and US carriers have the same seat pitch and seat width in economy class.
Both Norwegian and US carriers have free IFE - US carriers' is accessed via seat-back TVs, Norwegian's via your mobile device.
Only Norwegian offers free onboard wi-fi.
Norwegian charges for meals, whereas US carriers provide free meals.
The main difference between flying economy class on Norwegian or one of the US carriers is the arrival airport in the US, because the onboard product is almost identical.
Both Norwegian and US carriers have the same seat pitch and seat width in economy class.
Both Norwegian and US carriers have free IFE - US carriers' is accessed via seat-back TVs, Norwegian's via your mobile device.
Only Norwegian offers free onboard wi-fi.
Norwegian charges for meals, whereas US carriers provide free meals.
The main difference between flying economy class on Norwegian or one of the US carriers is the arrival airport in the US, because the onboard product is almost identical.
CabinCrewe - Norwegian are trying out a new ULCC model for transatlantic with the MAX. Part of that plan was a reduction in APD, which hasn’t materialised. To stimulate the demand it needs low pricing, but they cant make the sort of yield they want on it with the APD as it is. Therefore they have shifted the focus to Ireland.
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Norwegian knew the APD situation when they started the routes. I'm told that they had apparently under-estimated the impact this would have ex US in particular, where they started to sell the same lead-in fares ex PVD and SWF to EDI as for DUB, ORK, SNN and BFS but of course, APD has to be deducted ex EDI. Unsurprisingly their yields are far stronger at the other airports than EDI, therefore capacity is being switched across.
They knew the score when they launched but missed a beat by recognising the impact of APD - and you can hardly blame the Scottish Government for that one.
They knew the score when they launched but missed a beat by recognising the impact of APD - and you can hardly blame the Scottish Government for that one.
Norwegian's decision has nothing to do with APD; it's simply a case of demand.
There is a lot more demand for transatlantic flights to the US East Coast from Ireland than there is from Scotland. Edinburgh and Glasgow already have an impressive offering to New York, and there's simply not enough demand to support all of these flights. The fact that United have reduced their GLA-EWR service to summer seasonal is evidence of this.
Furthermore, Norwegian's decision to operate three routes meant that the base was doomed to fail from the outset. BDL was only served from EDI, meaning it received a lot less advertising and brand awareness. Also, the fact that BDL is exactly halfway between SWF and PVD meant that passenger demand was split between three routes, instead of just two from BFS, DUB or SNN.
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That being said, I do agree with your assessment of the Irish connections between New York/ Boston and Ireland so the DUB routes were always going to do well, even with EI in the mix.
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There are rumours aplenty!
* Hainan to Beijing
* China Eastern to Shanghai
* Virgin Atlantic to start direct US flights
* Emirates - will they or won't they?
* A Japan route
* Norwegian 737MAX service to Canada
* Norwegian 787 service to California
* Orlando - more frequent service courtesy of .... someone
* Wizzair - do they fancy a bit of the EDI action?
* AA - will they swap JFK for PHL?
* Is an Oxford route coming back?
The list goes on ....
* Hainan to Beijing
* China Eastern to Shanghai
* Virgin Atlantic to start direct US flights
* Emirates - will they or won't they?
* A Japan route
* Norwegian 737MAX service to Canada
* Norwegian 787 service to California
* Orlando - more frequent service courtesy of .... someone
* Wizzair - do they fancy a bit of the EDI action?
* AA - will they swap JFK for PHL?
* Is an Oxford route coming back?
The list goes on ....
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I certainly think the Chinese route is not far off. There have also been rumours about Japan but those will more than likely be a series of charters.
Who knows what Norwegian will do although I reckon that hinges upon the reduction in APD. I do think Orlando is very much underserved and we could see movement on this soon.
One thing we can be certain of is continued growth which is great.
Who knows what Norwegian will do although I reckon that hinges upon the reduction in APD. I do think Orlando is very much underserved and we could see movement on this soon.
One thing we can be certain of is continued growth which is great.
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https://www.edinburghairport.com/abo...uary-on-record
Up 4.3% in spite of the Beast from the East, which caused a significant drop in domestic PAX (-6%).
Up 4.3% in spite of the Beast from the East, which caused a significant drop in domestic PAX (-6%).
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According to Dublin pages, Beijing to be announced on Thursday NON-STOP. Are we to hear direct from EDI also? Or has Brexit (Irish Border problem) become the latest complication of a multi-sector shared with DUB? I’m currently out of Scotland so have no access to my contacts to check, but I wonder if anyone else knows?
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Don't DfT rules insist all passengers routing DUB-EDI-xyz re-clear security at EDI? This is why double drops no longer work in the UK market. DfT doesn't recognise any non UK security as to be a high enough standard, and to be fair, having come through some sleepier European airports in recent years, I can see why.