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I flew into Manchester with CX back in the summer and noticed at least 15 other people from the same flight on my train up to Edinburgh. I was pretty surprised to see that many people - I can imagine that most folk would connect in Frankfurt, Heathrow or elsewhere and avoid the 3.5 hour train journey north and 2 hour wait. I'm sure that between O&D traffic and connections to mainland China, Australia etc, CX could sustain a 3x weekly service year-round. I'm sure I read a while back that the Dublin flight is doing especially well with connections into Mainland China, so I can imagine that a CX service be a much better fit than HU for inbound Chinese tourists.
For the Hainan flight, I guess we'll have to wait and see what the numbers say. The flight arrival/departure times at both ends, poor connections into mainland China and 1x weekly frequency can't be helping it. (Yes I know there's the option to go via Dublin, but this means a 4am arrival and a 3 hour wait until you even leave for Edinburgh!) I had a quick look on Expertflyer about 30 minutes before this morning's flight took off and I think there must have been not much more than 120 seats taken. I hope the service pulls through but it's certainly off to a rocky start it seems.
For the Hainan flight, I guess we'll have to wait and see what the numbers say. The flight arrival/departure times at both ends, poor connections into mainland China and 1x weekly frequency can't be helping it. (Yes I know there's the option to go via Dublin, but this means a 4am arrival and a 3 hour wait until you even leave for Edinburgh!) I had a quick look on Expertflyer about 30 minutes before this morning's flight took off and I think there must have been not much more than 120 seats taken. I hope the service pulls through but it's certainly off to a rocky start it seems.
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Unlikely to see a second carrier on beijing plus (I am not certain) I believe they have a policy that two national airlines cant serve the same international route and air china dont do europe from hong kong only Cathy pacific if its going to happen.
Just curious about Air China's recent advertisement spree, some substance will be behind it and of course Scotland related.
Just curious about Air China's recent advertisement spree, some substance will be behind it and of course Scotland related.
Air China don't operate any long haul flights from Hong Kong so that discussion is rather irrelevant.
I think everyone is getting a bit carried away with these ''made up'' rumours regarding EDI gaining a flight to Hong Kong if it does ever happen it's going to be a long wait.
As Skipness points out it took years for MAN to regain CX and I should imagine that it will take just as long for EDI.
CX are very conservative regarding their long haul expansion, the airline started CPH and DUS only to cancel both destinations not long after starting them and that would more than likely be the scenario at EDI.
A question for SchoolboySam
Where are you getting these so called rumours regarding Westjet and EDI, are you sure that it's not a fragment of your imagination?
Rumours need to have at least some substance behind them otherwise there just wishful thinking rumours more than likely started by over enthusiastic schoolboys.
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The rumours regarding a tie up or merger between Emirates and Etihad are way off the mark although in the years going forward I can see some sort of tie up between the two airlines but for now there is no substance behind these rumours.
Etihad is drastically reducing it's network and is delaying aircraft deliveries so we're see where the airline finds itself in the coming years.
I personally think that Emirates and Etihad will end up merging at some point but there are too many Egos involved and I don't think that I need to explain who they are.
The management at EDI obviously knew when Etihad were ceasing the airport and probably when Emirates made their decision to fly from the airport it was obviously a good business move to start DXB the day after Etihad ceased AUH, no conspiracies no coincidence just good marketing.
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China have recently relaxed the rules regarding the one airline one route policy although that doesn't mean that EDI will ever have competition from Beijing.
Air China don't operate any long haul flights from Hong Kong so that discussion is rather irrelevant.
I think everyone is getting a bit carried away with these ''made up'' rumours regarding EDI gaining a flight to Hong Kong if it does ever happen it's going to be a long wait.
As Skipness points out it took years for MAN to regain CX and I should imagine that it will take just as long for EDI.
CX are very conservative regarding their long haul expansion, the airline started CPH and DUS only to cancel both destinations not long after starting them and that would more than likely be the scenario at EDI.
A question for SchoolboySam
Where are you getting these so called rumours regarding Westjet and EDI, are you sure that it's not a fragment of your imagination?
Rumours need to have at least some substance behind them otherwise there just wishful thinking rumours more than likely started by over enthusiastic schoolboys.
If you take the time to look back at earlier posts you will understand I refer to:
Plane mad 134 , 22nd Oct 2018 20:38
Latest rumour I heard is Air Canada and Westjet both in talks with the airport for a year round Toronto service, fingers crossed this happens
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I read somewhere recently that HKG is by far and away the biggest unserved destination in the Far East from BHX as well. I also know as a cast iron fact that CX have had talks with BHX in the past but as Skipness points out I doubt they want to dilute demand from LHR and MAN and year round front end traffic is key. The West Midlands has very strong business links with China through the car industry but this hasn't led to any flights being launched to anywhere in China. At EDI I should imagine demand for HK can be satisfied by the many one stop offerings through Europe or the sand pit.
As for CX if they see that people are happy to fly to MAN and catch a train to BHX, EDI and sonon, surely they will add extra frequency at MAN and xapitalise on their very successful operation there rather than all the costs associated with flying into a new airport and building up a new route from scratch? This is why they won't be seen at BHX for the foreseeable, if ever, I could see them at EDI but not right now...I am in HK this week and flew Swiss from BHX, despite the transfer in ZRH it was still more time and much more cost competitive than driving to MAN, parking my car for 10 days and flying CX from there and I can catch the train to BHX it's only a 20 min journey, although I know a lot of Midlander's do use the CX MAN flight so as ever it's horses for courses.
Just for info there were 8 other pax on my BHX-ZRH flight going to HK plus a similar number for SIN and a couple for Sao Paulo
As for CX if they see that people are happy to fly to MAN and catch a train to BHX, EDI and sonon, surely they will add extra frequency at MAN and xapitalise on their very successful operation there rather than all the costs associated with flying into a new airport and building up a new route from scratch? This is why they won't be seen at BHX for the foreseeable, if ever, I could see them at EDI but not right now...I am in HK this week and flew Swiss from BHX, despite the transfer in ZRH it was still more time and much more cost competitive than driving to MAN, parking my car for 10 days and flying CX from there and I can catch the train to BHX it's only a 20 min journey, although I know a lot of Midlander's do use the CX MAN flight so as ever it's horses for courses.
Just for info there were 8 other pax on my BHX-ZRH flight going to HK plus a similar number for SIN and a couple for Sao Paulo
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Cathay are doing well at Dublin, think we’ll see them in the near future at EDI. We know China Eastern have EDI in their plans for a route to Shanghai so we’ll see what happens there.
Edinburgh only having one route to Canada, a seasonal one as well, is nowhere near good enough so I’d expect that to improve soon. Westjet have been talking with edinburgh so we might see that come to fruition or we might see rouge/ac mainline going year round.
Edinburgh only having one route to Canada, a seasonal one as well, is nowhere near good enough so I’d expect that to improve soon. Westjet have been talking with edinburgh so we might see that come to fruition or we might see rouge/ac mainline going year round.
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Canada is vastly underserved from EDI considering the amount of hubs it links to in the States. I know the team at EDI have been speaking to Westjet for quite some time now and heard YYC being mentioned, this looks not to be the case but i still expect a east coast hub will come to fruition.