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Old 26th Sep 2018, 07:27
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Hows Hainan doing in peak Edinburgh Festival month of August- rammed to the gunnels? or is the breakdown with DUB still causing statistical issues
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Hows Hainan doing in peak Edinburgh Festival month of August- rammed to the gunnels? or is the breakdown with DUB still causing statistical issues
Difficult as it is a split load but if you say 40 on the days it stops first in Dublin it would leave around 162 direct just under 70% - it was 14 x 788 in August and 4 x 789 (direct) but not a particularly accurate way of measuring it.

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Summer 19 showing all HOP 190's so like Manchester Mainline Air France seem to be on their bike...…………...where next - BHX? Better news Transavia France Orly bookable next summer Sunday, Monday and Friday.

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Originally Posted by OltonPete
Difficult as it is a split load but if you say 40 on the days it stops first in Dublin it would leave around 162 direct just under 70% - it was 14 x 788 in August and 4 x 789 (direct) but not a particularly accurate way of measuring it.

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Summer 19 showing all HOP 190's so like Manchester Mainline Air France seem to be on their bike...…………...where next - BHX? Better news Transavia France Orly bookable next summer Sunday, Monday and Friday.

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Thanks Pete:

So Transavia have dropped the Wednesday flight for S19 reducing the service from 4Weekly to 3 Weekly, and less capacity on Paris CDG, post Brexit concerns I fear. On a positive at least the routes are retained, albeit with fewer seats available.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 23:08
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There's no sign of Iberia Express returning at all in S19.

I think that the Eurowings services from CGN and DUS may have a reduced frequency. On the other hand, Munich goes over entirely to LH from the end of March.
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There's no sign of Iberia Express returning at all in S19.

I think that the Eurowings services from CGN and DUS may have a reduced frequency. On the other hand, Munich goes over entirely to LH from the end of March.
I think EW may still be tinkering with their S19 schedules.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 07:17
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Originally Posted by inOban
There's no sign of Iberia Express returning at all in S19.
It's on sale 4-weekly from the start of June then 6-weekly from the start of July, then back to 4-weekly in September and ending at the end of September. Similar to this year I think.
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Thats good to hear, I also heard Ryanair may base a 10th Aircraft next summer.
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Old 27th Sep 2018, 23:12
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Originally Posted by tartan 201
It's on sale 4-weekly from the start of June then 6-weekly from the start of July, then back to 4-weekly in September and ending at the end of September. Similar to this year I think.
Where did you find them? Can't see them on the Iberia Express website.
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Where did you find them? Can't see them on the Iberia Express website.
The Iberia website:
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I was looking at a different part if the site. Skimming through the monthly calendar shows flights until the end of October, but none afterwards, as far as I could see.
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August Stats.

A.T.M +1.2% Rolling Year 3%
Passengers 1,471,967 +5% Rolling Year 13,906,051 +6.3%

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I know that the data are on the CAA website, but their data isn't quite comparable with the data which the airport publishes ( something to do with counting very young children, I think). Why haven't the airports published their own nunbers this month? At least not in the usual place.
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Usually Edninburgh Airport are quite quick to publish their numbers. Especially if they're record numbers.

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https://gulfnews.com/business/aviati...oute-1.2283407
Emirates to cut frequencies on Edinburgh route
"Less than a week before it launches flights to Edinburgh, Emirates airline has said it will reduce frequencies on the route to five times a week from the initially-planned daily service".
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we are assured it is by no means a reflection on passenger forward bookings....
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So what is the reason for the EDI route to be chosen?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
So what is the reason for the EDI route to be chosen?
It's not just EDI, the reductions are actually quite widespread:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-27sep18/

These reductions are at the quietest times of the year for travel on EK generally. Whether it is down to them trying to operate in a more frugal manner, or there actually are crewing issues (in which case it make sense to preserve pilot flying hours by reducing flying at quieter times), I do not know...

No reason to think EK are going to struggle at EDI in the long term. It must be the first UK regional route outside of London to start on B77W? Everywhere else would've been A332. It's a lot of seats to fill for a new route so yes it probably was an easy target, but I'm sure the demand is there, just give it a chance. The CAA stats will be interesting to see...
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I'm aware of that, but if it's no reflection on passenger numbers there must be another reason as presumably if you're making reductions the first thing you would look at is the lowest contributors.

Also, I thought Ramadan was the quiet time (which is why DXB do their runway work then).

And EK haven't used the A332 to the UK for a long time...
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Old 29th Sep 2018, 22:26
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
I'm aware of that, but if it's no reflection on passenger numbers there must be another reason as presumably if you're making reductions the first thing you would look at is the lowest contributors.

Also, I thought Ramadan was the quiet time (which is why DXB do their runway work then).

And EK haven't used the A332 to the UK for a long time...
And that's because there are no remaining A332 in the Emirates fleet, the last one being withdrawn several years ago.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
I'm aware of that, but if it's no reflection on passenger numbers there must be another reason as presumably if you're making reductions the first thing you would look at is the lowest contributors.

Also, I thought Ramadan was the quiet time (which is why DXB do their runway work then).

And EK haven't used the A332 to the UK for a long time...
I don't think anyone is trying to say that, the way I read it the poster was being sarcastic... I'm certainly not anyway. If they have had to shave capacity for whatever reason, be it pilot shortages or not, then they will have chosen these routes based on a number of things, passenger numbers will be just one. I wouldn't have expected this route to be rammed to the gunnels every day during November on a B77W in what will be only it's second month of operation anyway. However, note it's still daily for peak winter travel time during mid Dec-mid Jan. I just don't think it's that big a deal, the viability of the route is not in doubt before it has even started just because they've dropped 2 flights a week at some of the quietest travel months of the year for UK air travel.

Ramadan is the quietest time, but there are already reductions in place due to the runway works then anyway. Nov and Feb are probably the quietest months outside of Ramadan based on CAA stats for the UK-DXB routes ie GLA-DXB drops off by around 7k a month compared to peak times.

I know, that is because they have long since left the fleet. Which was kind of my point... EK do not have any smaller aircraft that may have been more appropriate to launch with, at least not until the B781s arrive. So whereas all other UK regional routes have been able to grow into the B77W having started on A332, they no longer have that luxury with EDI. I'm sure EDI will develop just fine in the years to come though, just like the other routes have done...
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