Edinburgh-3

[edi_local]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo

I have come down 777 steps twice with EK....at Dubai.
Has the check in hall gotten any bigger? That was the real pain point on my last few trips.

The check in hall is more or less the same size it has been for the past 20 years or so, with the odd renovation done here and there to add kiosk style desks or make the new jet2 area. It's EDIs major let down. Even with the new check in kiosk style desks there is still the same basic problem which has plagued the airport for years....there is not enough space for all the passengers. Even when things are running normally, on buys days it's miserable.

A major expansion of the check in hall needs to take place, or a new facility needs to be built somehow, but there is simply no space to put one, unless they wanted to take out half the bus lanes in front of the terminal or remove all the landside shops to make space for passengers.

[inOban]

Will this not be improved when the extension opens this summer?

[edi_local]

Originally Posted by inOban

Will this not be improved when the extension opens this summer?

Not directly or at least not as far as I am aware.

The extension is going to create a new immigration hall and gates. There will be a bit of a change to the landside ground floor where the current UK domestic arrivals area is, but the actual check in hall won't be expanded to the best of my knowledge anyway.

Without a major expansion of that hall they will just have the same problems anyway. The airport can throw as many check in kiosks or self service bag drops in as it likes, but people still need somewhere to stand and wait. Not only that but none of the kiosk style desks are linked to the baggage belts, so bags are tagged and then moved around in big cages. It's just a very messy check in hall.

[j636]

Originally Posted by GoEDI

Hainan now on sale. DUB-PEK can be booked only on days 26. PEK-DUB can be booked days 2467. EDI-PEK bookable days 47. PEK-EDI bookable 2467. So it appears only the non stop options can be booked Eastbound. Is this due to issues with the CTA/Customs & immigration and not being able to mix inbound/outbound pax?

HU now fully bookable:

EDI-DUB-EDI (from 160 return!)
EDI-PEK-EDI
EDI-DUB-PEK-DUB-EDI

[Mister Geezer]

Originally Posted by GoEDI

4A was adapted to accept B77W as part of the airfield works last year, that is why there is now a dogleg on taxiway E. Stand 12 can also take B77W but has no jetbridge. Stands 15, 16 and 18 are also B77W compatible and once the terminal expansion is complete in a few months are expected to have jetbridges. That will give 5 international contact stands capable of handling aircraft of B77W or similar simultaneously. Plus there is still 2A for up to B788 size and 10A for up to A332. A massive improvement on years gone by.

Thanks for the clarification. From what I had read some time ago stated that 4A was up to 764 size only.

Does anyone know if the airport operator has imposed any limitations on the movements of widebodies at the South East apron, as the published PCN values for Taxyways Lima, Mike and Runway 12/30 don't seem to have changed to match the ACN values of 788/332 etc. Maybe the airport operator is simply overlooking the ACN/PCN 'balance' and will accept any subsequent pavement degradation and manage it accordingly?

As for the steps issue with EK, the point I was trying to make is that they will push for the best facilities that are available. If steps are used then it is because there is no airbridge available (MLE, DXB during the rush etc) and to put it into perspective, there are hardly any destinations in the first world where steps are used all the time. In Europe the only place is Malta.

I seem to have read that there will be two immigration areas with the expansion but does anyone know if the size of the present one will be expanded and if the new one will be of a similar or larger size?

[Porrohman]

Originally Posted by Mister Geezer

Does anyone know if the airport operator has imposed any limitations on the movements of widebodies at the South East apron, as the published PCN values for Taxyways Lima, Mike and Runway 12/30 don't seem to have changed to match the ACN values of 788/332 etc. Maybe the airport operator is simply overlooking the ACN/PCN 'balance' and will accept any subsequent pavement degradation and manage it accordingly?

The only data I have access to is published on the NATS website which relies on data provided by the airfield operator;

NATS | AIS - Home

Despite extensive works being undertaken in recent years, the PCNs of taxiways Lima (31/F/C/X/T) and Mike (37/F/A/W/T) have not yet increased. I don't know whether this is an oversight, whether they are waiting for the pavements to "bed down" before reassessing their PCNs or whether there is another explanation. Given that the new stands 15 and 16B will be A380 sized, I would be surprised if the PCNs are not reassessed and upgraded in the near future.

[Porrohman]

I have often wondered whether historic mining activities had any affect upon the PCNs at EDI. I found the following article regarding an abandoned shale mine that was dug to a depth of 177ft in 1892 but was abandoned in 1894 due to "sand and gravel bursting through roof at crop".

https://www.scottishshale.co.uk/GazM...ton33Mine.html

The shaft was just north of the runway 24 threshhold and the workings went northwards under the River Almond so I would be surprised if they have any affect upon the current infrastracure at EDI. These ground conditions may however have been a significant factor in the feasibility and cost of EARL proposals and the mine workings may need to be taken into account if a second parallel runway is added at EDI in twenty or thirty years time.

There are many interesting maps on the NLS website that allow users to fade between various current and various historic maps using a slider labeled "Transparency". Here is an example for EDI;

Explore georeferenced maps - Map images - National Library of Scotland

Note how the Gogar Burn was significantly re-routed at some stage, presumably during the construction of RAF Turnhouse.

[Skipness One Echo]

EDI-DUB-EDI (from 160 return!)
EDI-PEK-EDI
EDI-DUB-PEK-DUB-EDI

So does anyone not getting off at EDI need to be recleared to DfT standards?
i.e. Anyone China-Dublin bound has to get off at EDI and go through security again as well as the China bound Dublin passengers? What was the resolution to the double-drop conundrum? I have seen YYZ-GLA-LGW passengers on Air Transat being rescreened at GLA before being allowed to re-board the LGW leg.

[j636]

So does anyone not getting off at EDI need to be recleared to DfT standards?
i.e. Anyone China-Dublin bound has to get off at EDI and go through security again as well as the China bound Dublin passengers? What was the resolution to the double-drop conundrum? I have seen YYZ-GLA-LGW passengers on Air Transat being rescreened at GLA before being allowed to re-board the LGW leg.

From what I hear yes all passengers will still be required to be re-screened.

[inOban]

https://www.edinburghairport.com/abo...-from-the-east

The Beast from the East caused a substantial drop in domestic PAX, counterbalancing continued International growth. Overall 0.1% down.

[VickersVicount]

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...late-sep-2018/

[theredbarron]

Originally Posted by edi_local

Not directly or at least not as far as I am aware.

The extension is going to create a new immigration hall and gates. There will be a bit of a change to the landside ground floor where the current UK domestic arrivals area is, but the actual check in hall won't be expanded to the best of my knowledge anyway.

Without a major expansion of that hall they will just have the same problems anyway. The airport can throw as many check in kiosks or self service bag drops in as it likes, but people still need somewhere to stand and wait. Not only that but none of the kiosk style desks are linked to the baggage belts, so bags are tagged and then moved around in big cages. It's just a very messy check in hall.

Was it not proposed that the existing immigration and customs baggage hall were to be added to an extended check-in area. If not, what other use might that area be being put to?

[Plane mad 134]

Norwegian expansion

Norwegian are expanding their sercvice to Newburgh for W18/19 by increasing the frequency from 3 to 7 weekly.

Information was found on routes online news

[CabinCrewe]

interesting move for the depths of winter knowing what the other established carriers do for NYC routes during this time. A fair old trek into city if the weather not great.
Suppose those Maxs got to do something!
Will be interesting to see the schedule the following winter...

[GoEDI]

Certainly worthy of an increase from 3pw based on loads this winter. Daily perhaps optimistic, but we'll see... no UA at GLA and upcoming connectivity with EZY might help. I suspect these increases have been partly fueled by PVD flopping network wide too.

[AerRyan]

If you look at Norwegian in general they've some crazy winter increases. From 2x weekly to Daily from Shannon for example.

[inOban]

Since the Newburgh a/c starts from Oslo, do they fly any pax from Oslo via EDI?

[Plane mad 134]

AirFrance

I see AirFrance are using mainstream aircraft on quite a few services to Edinburgh instead of Hop!

[edi_local]

Originally Posted by Plane mad 134

I see AirFrance are using mainstream aircraft on quite a few services to Edinburgh instead of Hop!

I have an AF booing in November which is showing an A318 both ways.

I would have thought winter would be the Hop Embraer, but apparently not.

[GoEDI]

Originally Posted by Plane mad 134

I see AirFrance are using mainstream aircraft on quite a few services to Edinburgh instead of Hop!

2 of the 3 daily flights are operated by mainline for S18.