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Old 7th Dec 2017, 23:56
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Oh dear! The might be some tears before bed time, because it looks like all the naysayers who said the Leeds/Bradford - London Heathrow was just slot sitting exercise for British Airways might be about to be proven right after 4 years of service.

The route has been up until now operated up to 20x wekly (3x daily Sun-Fri and 2x Sat) using A319 equipment.
The planned filing for summer 2018 schedule shows it operating at just 10x weekly (2x Mon, Thu, Fri & 1x daily Sat, Sun, Tue & Wed) still using Airbus A319.

Its such a shame if true, as the been getting some really good passenger loads recently...
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 00:14
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Just out of interest, how often do you take this route?

At the end of the day, if the route was in demand and profitable it would be continuing at the current frequency, it obviously isn't so there really isn't any shame?
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 00:43
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N707ZS, had there been NCL-RIX flights, 100% I would have used NCL, and paid any extra to do so.

I went on the A19 because my sat nav told me I could save 15 minutes
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 00:55
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Not necessarily so, those A319's, perhaps the smallest type that BA operate at LHR, are utilising slots that could be utilised by anything up to A380 size, that thousands of more passengers per week thru LHR for BA.

Both Brymon and Manx had successful and profitable routes thru LHR but guess who nabbed their LHR slots in favour of larger equipments?
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 14:45
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I would be intensely annoyed if I was a supporter of LBA.

I believe the load factors here were very healthy and yet seemingly BA have tossed away a swathe of loyalty customers who will now travel to Manchester or Amsterdam.

Business is business but that effectively is another UK domestic route dropped. One a day is of no use, 2 isn't much better!

Poor show!
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 15:05
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Don't think they've have taken it 'lightly' they're only focused on the end goal (money). and they probably see better value on their LHR slots than services to LBA

most think they're being Greedy, but their a private company so it's up to them at the end of the day

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Old 9th Dec 2017, 22:06
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If only it was located at Church Fenton..
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Old 9th Dec 2017, 23:22
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Navpi it’s a slot sitter. Unlike Inverness which has grown and has some pretty strong p2p and hefty prices in summer, LBA doesn’t fit. Without a nightstopper it’s not a serious contender for getting to London on business and the times are just poor for too many connections.
It’s well intentioned but you can bet there those in BA demanding the slots be used elsewhere. Just look at how low some of the fares are which gives a clue on uptake. BA are only half trying here.
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Old 10th Dec 2017, 01:51
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For connections LBA has been very well served for decades to/from AMS and is perhaps located a little too close to MAN.
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Old 10th Dec 2017, 11:22
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It will all come right in 2030 when runway 3 opens. We have been promised R3 will deliver big improvements in regional connectivity. That's three years before HS2 revolutionises our economy.
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Old 10th Dec 2017, 11:54
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Was that intended as a humorous comment, do you honestly believe that?
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Old 10th Dec 2017, 12:36
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Sorry I really can't be doing with these emojis. But O/T the Parliament TV show of the DfT evidence to the Transport Committee 4pm 4/12/17 makes interesting viewing for anyone interested in R3 and the National Policy Statement. The regional connectivity dimension figures quite strongly in the DfT thinking.

Of course I appreciate that Leeds/Bradford is not Inverness or Newquay but even so this is a message that the pattern of air connectivity to the hub will probably never go back to what it looked like forty years ago and the Viscounts.
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Old 11th Dec 2017, 11:32
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3x BA Heathrow diverts 1x A319 & 2x A320's night stopped Leeds. So it can be done...
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There was a Sunday afternoon back in the 80's when with an almost identical weather situation LBA took a significant number of BA 111s divertied from Manchester. On that occasion the warm air advanced a little further north east and LBA itself became inches deep in snow! The diverted aircraft were there until late next day.

The days when the tables are turned and LBA becomes the recipient of diversions are rare but good to see!
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Old 11th Dec 2017, 20:46
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3x BA Heathrow diverts 1x A319 & 2x A320's night stopped Leeds. So it can be done...

Where were they originating from and what happened to the passengers? Did they go by rail or stay the night in Leeds and fly back?
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British Airways: 50,000 passengers stranded after de-icing meltdown at Heathrow | The Independent

Passengers from Newcastle got no further than Leeds-Bradford, where they were joined by confused travellers from Kiev and Warsaw. Back on Tyneside, Newcastle airport welcomed divertees from Paris, Reykjavik, Helsinki, Frankfurt and Athens; Frank Durrell tweeted once more: “You suck. Diverted us to Newcastle. Why didn’t you just let us stay in Athens and fly us back tomorrow?”


Passengers from Zurich, Zagreb, Vienna, Gibraltar, Nice and Madrid are mingling in Cardiff. Milan, Prague and Berlin passengers had an unexpected visit to Bournemouth, while along the road BA travellers from Geneva and Krakow congregated in Southampton.



The late-night passengers from Istanbul flew around in circles over the Home Counties for a while, hopeful of landing, before diverting to Liverpool.

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Was the (BA) LHR - LBA a slot a sitter? 100% NO. The slots at Heathrow were just as valuable 5 years ago when the Yeadon service first operated. Has the route failed to attract enough patrons - 100% YES. It was as predictable as day follows night! Simple!- it goes the same way as Cork, Copenhagen, Brussels, Glasgow, Madrid, Toulouse, Exeter, Milan, Islamabad, Belfast Aldergrove etc etc etc. It is the same reason why Paris has reduced from double daily to less than a flight a day. The same reason why AMS continues to reduce. Route after route after route not being able to attract enough passengers/yield.

Stop blaming BA, EasyJet, Vueling, SAS, PIA, Loganair etc etc etc who apparently, according to local spotters, don't know what they are doing. "When will they realise the potential?" - they say! They know the potential - that's why they leave (like Bridgepoint)

LBA is in completely the WRONG LOCATION to tap the potential gigantic Yorkshire population catchment. It's got zero to do with Brexit! Do not be misled. If 1.5 million South Yorkshire people would much much rather travel further to EMA or MAN rather than a much shorter distance of Yorkshire's main airport on a hill in a housing estate then that airport is catastrophically failing in serving Yorkshire! Those 1.5 million people are CRITICALLY needed if a shuttle to Heathrow is to work. Hence it does not work! Reduction.

Bridgepoint should be congratulated for doing everything they possibly could to induce growth. I do not expect the new management to do the same [as it costs an awful lot of money]. Nobody pours money down the drain. LBA is a drain.

I am Yeadon Yeadon Yeadon through and through - but as a civil airport it is a shambolic, scandalous squandering disgrace that has cost Yorkshire and the North East of England Billions of Pounds and exported that wealth, jobs, investment, tourism directly West of the Pennines where the airport is correctly located and connected.
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 22:11
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Hasn`t Leeds just posted record passenger levels, and obviously BHX is is in the wrong place as they have just lost 5 airlines, I remember MAN lost a hatfull of airlines one year it just pulled it`s self together and got on with it. Jet2 has put a fantastic operation in place at LBA and are creaming the market. I know you want Church Fenton but how much money needs spending on the place and all infrastructure because it basically is a bog standard RAF training aerodrome with little or no facilities, I am sure the runway would need rebuilding for a start as it is old and not built for heavy airliners as are the taxiways so all in all might as well start with a brand new field which aint going to happen.
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For connections LBA has been very well served for decades to/from AMS and is perhaps located a little too close to MAN.
Too close to MAN? Wonder if DSA asked nicely if BA would go there. - said in jest!
Though I guess LCY is not 100% impossible .
Though think I read both in an aviation publication. And a Google story HUY were supposed to be in the running for a BA- London service ( City).
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Can Church Fenton handle containerised baggage, BA are asking?
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