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Is Timmy bleating here? he has been given short shrift on the Flybe thread.
We don't yet know what is being cut. Flybe have said that they will still be serving DSA using Dash aircraft, presumably on W patterns. It's hard to imagine them doing the longer Spain/Portugal flights, but hopefully we will keep Dublin, Amsterdam, Belfast and Paris in some form.
We don't yet know what is being cut. Flybe have said that they will still be serving DSA using Dash aircraft, presumably on W patterns. It's hard to imagine them doing the longer Spain/Portugal flights, but hopefully we will keep Dublin, Amsterdam, Belfast and Paris in some form.
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Forgive me for my seeming ignorance, but aren’t the airlines the customer of an airport? If their chosen airport fails to deliver the passenger throughput to sustain a viable operation then the airline is surely free to leave on that basis? Caveats of buy in deals aside - coincidentally FlyBe were bought in - how much leverage do you think that gives a struggling airport when trying to attract new airline custom?
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easyJet have been and gone, can't see any reason they'd be back. The airport need a slice of the Jet2 cake, though that may be extremely hard to achieve, but who knows.
Age old argument of passengers wanting to reduce an airlines revenue by suggesting that they give them cut price fares on flights where passenger demand is already hard to justify. Well done also to EI-BUD for proposing that Jet2 should multiply its costs and compete on its own services.
The airport owner can only be blamed for opening an airport in an area where propensity to fly isn’t high enough to fulfil their ambitions. My response was aimed directly at a poster that was keen to remind people that the last time an airline crossed Peel by dropping Teesside from their schedule, the airline in question ended up £12million out of pocket. Great incentive to attract new business in an already saturated market.
The airport owner can only be blamed for opening an airport in an area where propensity to fly isn’t high enough to fulfil their ambitions. My response was aimed directly at a poster that was keen to remind people that the last time an airline crossed Peel by dropping Teesside from their schedule, the airline in question ended up £12million out of pocket. Great incentive to attract new business in an already saturated market.
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Age old argument of passengers wanting to reduce an airlines revenue by suggesting that they give them cut price fares on flights where passenger demand is already hard to justify. Well done also to EI-BUD for proposing that Jet2 should multiply its costs and compete on its own services.
The airport owner can only be blamed for opening an airport in an area where propensity to fly isn’t high enough to fulfil their ambitions. My response was aimed directly at a poster that was keen to remind people that the last time an airline crossed Peel by dropping Teesside from their schedule, the airline in question ended up £12million out of pocket. Great incentive to attract new business in an already saturated market.
The airport owner can only be blamed for opening an airport in an area where propensity to fly isn’t high enough to fulfil their ambitions. My response was aimed directly at a poster that was keen to remind people that the last time an airline crossed Peel by dropping Teesside from their schedule, the airline in question ended up £12million out of pocket. Great incentive to attract new business in an already saturated market.
My point is that the this is the greatest opportunity that the airport can wish for now, they've explored so many avenues already, easyJet, Ryanair etc.
The topic is wasn't about Jet2.
Jet2 have significant market power particularly in the family and packaged holiday market, if DSA want a big slice of the cake in the region, Jet2 could bring it. I wouldn't speculate on the commercials or such things as cost duplication. We don't always see the cost benefit analysis and many airlines operate from neighbouring airports with commercial justification, let me give you some examples;
Ryanair - bases at PIK, GLA and EDI
Jet2 - bases at LBA, MAN
Jet2 - bases at BHX, EMA
easyJet - bases at LTN, STN, SEN
I agree that the region is incredibly competitive from an airport perspective, but airline do and can often justify having bases close together and there is nothing to say that Jet2 however unlikely it may be, couldn't split their operation between LBA and DSA, without duplication of services. Afterall, reading the history on the threads for DSA, the belief seems to be that DSA could prove an excellent alternstive to LBA. Indeed there was a group of posters proposing a new alternstive airport for Leeds at one point. I wonder what commercial rationale that stood behind that.
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EI-BUD, it is less populated than West Yorkshire and East Midlands region, barring some significant strategic shift it just isn’t going to happen. Sorry. Jet2 haven’t grown to be the strong business they are through duplicating costs. Quite the opposite in fact. The examples you have given are of different airlines and entirely different locations which have their own idiosyncrasies.
I maintain that the best best bet for growth in that sector would be from easyJet given that they have no coverage throughout central and Eastern England between NCL and LTN/STN. So if they show no interest, what makes you think that Jet2 -with large bases at LBA, EMA and MAN - would fare any better? Sorry to labour the point, but we were told 15 years ago that airlines would vote with their feet. They have.
I maintain that the best best bet for growth in that sector would be from easyJet given that they have no coverage throughout central and Eastern England between NCL and LTN/STN. So if they show no interest, what makes you think that Jet2 -with large bases at LBA, EMA and MAN - would fare any better? Sorry to labour the point, but we were told 15 years ago that airlines would vote with their feet. They have.
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EI-BUD, it is less populated than West Yorkshire and East Midlands region, barring some significant strategic shift it just isn’t going to happen. Sorry. Jet2 haven’t grown to be the strong business they are through duplicating costs. Quite the opposite in fact. The examples you have given are of different airlines and entirely different locations which have their own idiosyncrasies.
I maintain that the best best bet for growth in that sector would be from easyJet given that they have no coverage throughout central and Eastern England between NCL and LTN/STN. So if they show no interest, what makes you think that Jet2 -with large bases at LBA, EMA and MAN - would fare any better? Sorry to labour the point, but we were told 15 years ago that airlines would vote with their feet. They have.
I maintain that the best best bet for growth in that sector would be from easyJet given that they have no coverage throughout central and Eastern England between NCL and LTN/STN. So if they show no interest, what makes you think that Jet2 -with large bases at LBA, EMA and MAN - would fare any better? Sorry to labour the point, but we were told 15 years ago that airlines would vote with their feet. They have.
There was very little freight and it seemed a lack of interest from management.
Now it is well connected directly to several motorways ( via M18 ), EG , M1 , A1(M) , M62 etc.
Cargo is going through the roof , this change with Flybe had NOTHING to do with a bad airport , it was EVERY airport , an Airline consolidating back to its core and best known business -short - medium sectors on Dash8 aircraft.
And IS continuing , further investment is being made by the airport team and will be going ahead shortly with , a major refresh and fair sized Terminal expansion , also into previously an unused ( mothballed) part of the Terminal .
During one debate here or elsewhere some link to an alleged comment by a potential Airline , stating these changes were expected if expansion was to occur .
TUI pulled from both EMA and LBA' , and even on this forum , was an EMA post about DSA ' poaching custom now, and are up to , Three based 737, ( TUI ) , plus one visiting weekly longhaul 787 this year , and much more next year as Cancun , has been added .
To sum up the airport is a very different prospect now, since ' easyJet ( 9 years ago !! ) , The airport year on year wins awards as best airport .
So you cannot compare, and equate why easyJet are not coming
Nobody knows for sure, also on these very pages people said , exactly the same of Flybe " won't ever open a base , it will dilute surrounding airports" .
And that was proven wrong .
Noone knows the future, you cannot say for sure who will open routes .
But eventually they will come .
Who and when , you'll just have to wait and see!.
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Not sure. Although it wouldn't be a bad thing. Peel have very little care in airport passenger operations. It would be good to see new energy behind the running of these two airports from an organisation with more passion and/or experience.
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If Newcastle can support a daily Emirates 777 so can DSA, particularly with the cargo facilities.
Some head hunting wouldn’t go a miss either, get some more personal with proven track records in key positions.
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