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Old 5th Jun 2018, 19:50
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Sure, prices are important factors. In addition the proximity to various other airports is what causes here the competitive environment. And this might be what makes the difference compared to other regional airports where flybe is more successful.

Would you consider flying more often from DSA once the new link road is open?
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Old 5th Jun 2018, 21:59
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Originally Posted by limited_sight
Sure, prices are important factors. In addition the proximity to various other airports is what causes here the competitive environment. And this might be what makes the difference compared to other regional airports where flybe is more successful.

Would you consider flying more often from DSA once the new link road is open?
Link road phase 2 is (without checking) only about a mile long and will only save an additional 2-3 minutes at a guess compared to the current route - but it is important as the existing route can get clogged with local traffic. I doubt the completion of phase 2 will, in itself, cause more people to use DSA but you can bet that it will be well publicised.

When phase one opened they said that Sheffield city centre (Park Square) was just 25 minutes away, which is correct if you drive at the speed limit and don't hit traffic on the Parkway. It follows that when phase 2 opens an extra couple of minutes should be lopped off that journey time. Not sure about driving from Donny, but the traffic is normally fairly heavy in the town that side of the M18
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 08:40
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I am surprised Ryan Air haven't jumped on these routes from DSA as there is a demand for none package holiday flights out of Summer Seasons.

Tenerife South (Previously Operated)
Las Palmas
Arrecife
Alicante (Previously Operated)
Faro (Previously Operated -I think)
Malaga

City Break routes

Pisa (Previously Operated)
Rome
Budapest
Berlin
How do you know there is "demand"? If there was enough demand why were certain routes that you listed dropped? BTW, the airline is called Ryanair.
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 19:53
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I don't,I was just making conversation in the group. Also, if there is a spelling mistake of an Airline, its not intentional so no need to flag up trying to put someone down. Thank you
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Old 6th Jun 2018, 23:22
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Originally Posted by TOM1747
I don't,I was just making conversation in the group. Also, if there is a spelling mistake of an Airline, its not intentional so no need to flag up trying to put someone down. Thank you
Quite rudeness on this site is quite shocking tbh.
I wonder if people would have the nerve to speak to someone like that in person .
Id say not imho.
I understood what you meant , modern auto correct can change as you hit post .
It's a known glitch in Firefox and other Browsers especially on Android.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 08:52
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I don't,I was just making conversation in the group.
You clearly stated "there IS demand" - for which you have now admitted you have no evidence. If you were just making conversation perhaps you should have worded it as "there COULD be demand". Call me old-fashioned (well, actually, I am old fashioned) but there is too much these days of opinions being presented as fact - particularly on-line.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 12:03
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I flew out on the following Flybe departure to AGP last year when I couldn't get flights from MAN, LPL, LBA or EMA due to all being either fully booked or mega high prices. The surprise was, not only was it very cheap but it was only about one third full. It seems that demand is not that high.

Mon 17 Jul 2017 BE4427Doncaster Sheffield to Malaga15:3019:30
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 13:09
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There are some deals, but cheapest DSA-ALC for Jun/Jul this year £140 return with BE, competing with lowest fares LBA £109, EMA £71 all chasing same catchment. There is demand but at half the price most Yorkshire folk will travel 45 minutes down the road to EMA
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 20:36
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Originally Posted by G-FORZ
There are some deals, but cheapest DSA-ALC for Jun/Jul this year £140 return with BE, competing with lowest fares LBA £109, EMA £71 all chasing same catchment. There is demand but at half the price most Yorkshire folk will travel 45 minutes down the road to EMA
For leisure routes this sounds very plausible. But even for domestic/european destinations the share of time sensitive business passengers does not seem to be high enough to make higher frequencies or more routes viable.
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Old 7th Jun 2018, 21:47
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Originally Posted by Groundloop
You clearly stated "there IS demand" - for which you have now admitted you have no evidence. If you were just making conversation perhaps you should have worded it as "there COULD be demand". Call me old-fashioned (well, actually, I am old fashioned) but there is too much these days of opinions being presented as fact - particularly on-line.
May I ask with humble respect but are you an expert on demand on the Doncaster area?.
Do you live around there , speak t time talking to locals ?.
Only I know own I have , and many destinations are in demand as some I think but an not sure are or were served .
The point is when served They were very well used , considering poor timings .
Doncaster has had airlines in but does not seem to be able to get together a schedule, that would create ' official ' demand .
But I can swear on the Bible , I've spoken to many before I had to give up work , often working in offices all around the Airport .
It's a favourite local topic, " I wish I could fly to here or there " .
And I've had people complain about anywhere from Athens to Sydney .
The latter I explained is virtually a never category . ( In my humble opinion ).
But the fact is if there was no demand there would not be an airport .
So nitpicking the OP on his choice of exact words , when this is supposed to be a friendly forum , a mix of expert and enthusiast alike , then, the odd slip of the tounge so to speak is just that .
I just feel people get jumped on for suggesting anything on here .
The best case in point was the veciferious flaming of people who would say that one day Flybe , would base an aircraft or two .
It was met with ridicule and posts like this.
I never noted posts apologising when Flybe did just that!.
Budapest is often asked for , Doncaster and region has a strong Hungarian population.
As for the med , I find it odd that there is no demand for more med flights especially through the winter.
Ps I mean no offense , just seems unfair to nitpick someone taking the time to post their opinion , fact or no fact .
Perhaps now as your an expert you can list exactly what routes are in demand and back it up with figures please ?
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Old 14th Jun 2018, 20:52
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EasyJet RABA HubLAB conference

Given easyJet’s conference contribution at RABA HubLAB (Heathrow regional connectivity) what’s the real chance of EasyJet’s return to DSA?
it would appear Easy are the only uk airline that could base at DSA without diluting regional catchment capacity (FR/LS both have big presence at LBA & EMA). A replication of Easy’s SEN routes would be a massive boost for DSA, yes it would antagonise BE for the low frequency sun routes ALC/AGP/PMI/FAO but don’t those routes have limited life without the E195’s and Peels BE ‘Support’


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Old 15th Jun 2018, 10:44
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Any more info on what was said by Easyjet execs at RABA NubLAB? I could see EasyJet moving in if Flybe moved out, but haven't Flybe got a propriatory agreement with DSA?

Phase 2 of the link road opened today, sorry no news story as yet

EDIT Presser here - http://flydsa.co.uk/latest-news/grea...road-completed

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Old 19th Jun 2018, 13:22
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According to the press release they have constructed a cycle path to the airport
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Old 8th Jul 2018, 20:44
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Frustration

When is DSA going to get serious about attracting new/old carriers.
Landed at LBA yesterday with several families from DSA catchment, all saying wish we could fly from DSA.
Makes you wonder what the business development people are actually doing, other than sucking up to TUI and BE who are obviously on some kind of big payback, but stifing any kind of new growth, and are most probably being entertained to maintain their presence. Time for a shake up and implementation of some aspirational ambition from Peel to move forward not just with the incumbents but Easy, Ryanair and KLM. You’ve got a great Airport, now you have great access with the new extended link road, but give people some reason to use it, instead of of it being a road to nowhere ( or a very restricted somewhere).
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Old 9th Jul 2018, 07:52
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Who says they aren't? Who could seriously come in?

The likes of EasyJet and Ryanair aren't going to come in anytime soon. Maybe Vueling to Barcelona, Thomas Cook to part base or base, Blue Air to copy the LPL format, Norwegian to go over the pond with a 737 or even the long wanted KLM connection.

Other than that it is hard to see anyone wanting to dilute other bases. With the cargo gains maybe that is the way forward for now.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 20:59
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As a DSA local I'd hate to see Ryanair or Easyjet there, they scare everyone else off. Any of the others listed above would be great, especially transatlantic ops.
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Old 14th Jul 2018, 07:10
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Quite agree. Perhaps the odd BCN/GRO, but that’s all.
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Old 14th Jul 2018, 18:47
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Air travel is a retail commodity,the more products (destinations) & brands (airline choice) you sell and are available (seats, frequency),the more custom you will get,limit brands and you will reduce product offered, and availability and therefore limit the footfall - unless what you sell is unique and cheap.
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Old 15th Jul 2018, 05:42
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Originally Posted by G-FORZ
Air travel is a retail commodity,the more products (destinations) & brands (airline choice) you sell and are available (seats, frequency),the more custom you will get,limit brands and you will reduce product offered, and availability and therefore limit the footfall - unless what you sell is unique and cheap.
But how do you get the brands to make their products available when supply is limited?
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Old 15th Jul 2018, 15:07
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But how do you get the brands to make their products available when supply is limited?
My post was in repose to an earlier post suggesting Ryanair and EasyJet would be bad for DSA. The point I was attempting to make was that DSA needs as many brands as possible to be considered a contender for consumer choice. All the best airports have multiple carriers offering similar if not the same routes, but the competition stimulates growth. How are the brands attracted - firstly by offering exactly the same concessions to them as the incumbents. From the outside it appears rightly or wrongly TUI and BE are being protected from competition by Peel in exchange for their commitment to the airport, but this in turn is stifling and prospective growth with new/old carriers. A KLM 2 daily AMS (like at DTV!!! ) would wipe the floor with BE - what’s more Peel know Ryanair can co exist with Easy from their experiences at LPL.

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