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Old 3rd Jan 2020, 09:26
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2012 is irrelevant. What is concerning now at the huge loss of routes over the last few months at DSA. Whatever the reason, it hardly gives confidence for the future of the airport to operate passenger services.

The airport haven't managed to replace any of the lost FlyBe or Wizz routes. Ask yourself why.

Yet all they talk about is their huge growth etc etc. That will look pretty stupid, when they are back down to 600k passengers again.
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Old 3rd Jan 2020, 12:23
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Timmy, bore off. As SWBKCB said what happened to all your previous trolling doom predictions.

Two flights a week to Chisinau won't happen as there is surprisingly no local market for Moldova and Wizz probably found a more lucrative route for the aircraft doing the two flights to Budapest - they will probably replace them with other routes. Disappointing but not a massive loss considering the new 2nd based TUI for the winter and new 4th based TUI for summer that you have conveniently forgotten about. They will happily put your doom prediction to bed and see the airport on or above 1.3 million passengers again.

B- for effort, try harder next time.



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Old 3rd Jan 2020, 12:26
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If there's no market, then why announce the route?
The loss of routes is massive. 3 from Wizz plus the FlybE ones, with zero chance of them being replaced.

The TUI expansion is by no means certain, given they don't have enough aircraft to operate their summer programme.
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Old 3rd Jan 2020, 12:28
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You really are a troll, of course TUI will have capacity which will come from various sources. They know a lot more than you about running a business.

Before spreading unsubstantiated rumours about TUI (as obviously you will be working in the fleet department) do you want to share some proof?

Chisinau was probably announced to cover Iasi and its surrounding area and it didn't work out as planned.
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Old 3rd Jan 2020, 16:16
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You've been a worried man for a long time, Timmy! Weren't they pulling out moving to MAN in 2012?
I think Wizz are pretty well established at Doncaster and Liverpool for their North of England ops.
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Old 3rd Jan 2020, 23:52
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Even with BUD dropped from March, Wizz will operate 39x weekly flights over 12x routes from DSA in August 2020, pretty impressive given LBAs RYR base will now only see 56x weekly flights over 14x routes next August due to cuts.

In August 2020, the weekly Wizz schedule from DSA (and competition from neighbouring airports) will be as follows:

Poland - 22x weekly
GDN
- 5x weekly (LBA - 4x weekly with RYR)
KTW - 5x weekly
WAW - 4x weekly (LBA - 2x weekly to WMI with RYR / EMA - 2x weekly to WMI with RYR)
KRK - 3x weekly (LBA - 3x weekly with RYR & 2x weekly with EXS / EMA - 3x weekly with RYR)
POZ - 3x weekly
WRO - 2x weekly (LBA - 2x weekly with RYR / EMA - 4x weekly with RYR)

Romania - 9x weekly
OTP
- 4x weekly
CLJ - 3x weekly
TSR - 2x weekly

Latvia - 3x weekly
RIX
- 3x weekly (LBA - Route cancelled by RYR / EMA - 3x weekly with RYR)

Lithuania - 3x weekly
VNO
- 3x weekly (LBA - Route cancelled by RYR)

Hungary - 2x weekly
DEB
- 2x weekly
BUD - Cancelled (LBA - 2x weekly with EXS / EMA - 3x weekly with RYR)
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 12:23
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Even with BUD dropped from March, Wizz will operate 39x weekly flights over 12x routes from DSA in August 2020, pretty impressive given LBAs RYR base will now only see 56x weekly flights over 14x routes next August due to cuts.

In August 2020, the weekly Wizz schedule from DSA (and competition from neighbouring airports) will be as follows:

Poland - 22x weekly
GDN
- 5x weekly (LBA - 4x weekly with RYR)
KTW - 5x weekly
WAW - 4x weekly (LBA - 2x weekly to WMI with RYR / EMA - 2x weekly to WMI with RYR)
KRK - 3x weekly (LBA - 3x weekly with RYR & 2x weekly with EXS / EMA - 3x weekly with RYR)
POZ - 3x weekly
WRO - 2x weekly (LBA - 2x weekly with RYR / EMA - 4x weekly with RYR)

Romania - 9x weekly
OTP
- 4x weekly
CLJ - 3x weekly
TSR - 2x weekly

Latvia - 3x weekly
RIX
- 3x weekly (LBA - Route cancelled by RYR / EMA - 3x weekly with RYR)

Lithuania - 3x weekly
VNO
- 3x weekly (LBA - Route cancelled by RYR)

Hungary - 2x weekly
DEB
- 2x weekly
BUD - Cancelled (LBA - 2x weekly with EXS / EMA - 3x weekly with RYR)


Not sure DSA will survive the next few months as flights are cancelled.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 12:25
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Always doom from TimmyW
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 12:32
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Originally Posted by N707ZS View Post
Always doom from TimmyW
As airlines scale back and flights are cancelled, how else do you see it panning out?
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 12:56
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
Not sure DSA will survive the next few months as flights are cancelled.
Self isolation is the key troll. DSA will be fine European workers will continue to use the Wizz flights. You prophesised failure after Flybe went and the airport has been fine, same after the max debacle with the same outcome again.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 13:04
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Originally Posted by egcntristar View Post
Self isolation is the key troll. DSA will be fine European workers will continue to use the Wizz flights. You prophesised failure after Flybe went and the airport has been fine, same after the max debacle with the same outcome again.
You clearly can't see the implications.

Even before today's flight groundings Wizz have drastically reduced their original schedule at DSA. As the situation worsens and more flights are cancelled, who's going to keep the airport running? And how long until consumer confidence returns?

Airports with a large route network will survive, those like DSA with only a few flights per day on a good day will struggle to come back from this.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 13:19
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At the very worst case, many of the staff at DSA can be laid off and the doors closed while coronavirus runs its course.
Much as I hate to say it, the value of an airport lies in its built infrastructure rather than the employees. Even if Peel go bankrupt, there will be a time in maybe 2022 when somebody decides to buy the airport from the insolvency practitioner. This is not Ciudad Real - there is a real and sizeable population nearby that want to fly.

The whole coronavirus thing will eventually pass - even if it means waiting 18 months for a vaccine. The 1918 flu epidemic passed and the world economy recovered
The collection of terminal, runway, equipment and road connection is simply too valuable for it to be abandoned forever
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 13:24
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Timmy you clearly don't see the overall UK industry long term picture.

All airports are in the same boat. The bigger they are the harder they will fall especially short term those that rely on Jet2 med flights after today's news. Those that relied on Flybe will take a double hit. I don't see you doomongering on any other thread.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 13:31
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Originally Posted by egcntristar View Post
Timmy you clearly don't see the overall UK industry long term picture.

All airports are in the same boat. The bigger they are the harder they will fall especially short term those that rely on Jet2 med flights after today's news. Those that relied on Flybe will take a double hit. I don't see you doomongering on any other thread.

The government will step in to help larger airports. Wizz had already significantly cut back their schedule at DSA before today's news.

Once airlines regroup, they will focus on larger hubs and airports, not small regionals.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 13:35
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Originally Posted by egcntristar View Post
Timmy you clearly don't see the overall UK industry long term picture.

All airports are in the same boat. The bigger they are the harder they will fall especially short term those that rely on Jet2 med flights after today's news. Those that relied on Flybe will take a double hit. I don't see you doomongering on any other thread.

The government will step in to help larger airports. Wizz had already significantly cut back their schedule at DSA before today's news.

Once airlines regroup, they will focus on larger hubs and airports, not small regionals.

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Old 14th Mar 2020, 13:39
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There's a commonly held misconception on these forums that if you repeat something often enough it will actually come true.

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Old 14th Mar 2020, 13:42
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
The government will step in to help larger airports. Wizz had already significantly cut back their schedule at DSA before today's news.

Once airlines regroup, they will focus on larger hubs and airports, not small regionals.
Ultimately, we are thankfully still waiting for one of your prophesies to be correct.

Rather than doomongering and point scoring think of all the employees of airports, airlines and all associated industries and the effects on them.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 13:50
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
The government will step in to help larger airports. Wizz had already significantly cut back their schedule at DSA before today's news.

Once airlines regroup, they will focus on larger hubs and airports, not small regionals.

not sure whatís been said before, but after Edinburgh Airport announced yesterday that they could have no passengers for 3 months and BA could go bust it seemed perfectly reasonable to suggest that there could be dark times ahead for DSA just as there is for every Airport. Who knows when the summer season will start and how many TUI planes will be based then.....
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not sure whatís been said before, but after Edinburgh Airport announced yesterday that they could have no passengers for 3 months and BA could go bust it seemed perfectly reasonable to suggest that there could be dark times ahead for DSA just as there is for every Airport. Who knows when the summer season will start and how many TUI planes will be based then.....
I agree, not being negative but realistic. Itís almost certain that TUI will need to make significant reductions which will of course impact on DSA. I think even one or two based aircraft would be ambitious at the moment.
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Old 14th Mar 2020, 14:06
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I agree, not being negative but realistic. Itís almost certain that TUI will need to make significant reductions which will of course impact on DSA. I think even one or two based aircraft would be ambitious at the moment.
If they close the base, then the airport would not be viable as a commercial concern.
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